Baccarat The Van Kelen Test - Baccarat

Hello, one thing that strikes my mind is how some punters claim they can flat-betting day in and day out and on rare occasions apply a smooth conservative negative progression to tackle 3+ STD.

To achieve this you need to get similar test results as the van kelen test suggests to know if you are on to something.
After that, you can consider the Gr8players staking variant or Holloway progressions.

This is how I achieved 70+ with 891 placed bets, not the amount of trials.
When the van Kellen test says 100 with 1000 placed bets, I am around that benchmark which is a very good sign.

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Van Keelen test or the mathematical approach of roulette systems evaluation

Every roulette player wants to know which roulette betting system can ensure them profits and which one cannot. The gamblers need an objective method which really will show them some results. And Van Keelen test appears to be a principal method which can help to evaluate the success and efficiency of this or that roulette system. Van Keelen system was developed long time ago and it is rather simple in its application.

The basics
Van Keelen test requires from the roulette player checking the system through the placed bets. It should be done before the beginning of the game. The described test implies the interrelation between the system's net gain and the number of made stakes. The amount of placed bets must be no less than 1000 and the sum of bet must be equal (no progression). The important thing to understand and remember that while using Van Keelen test we speak about the actual bets and not the wheel spins.

The advantages
One of the advantages of Van Keelen test is that possible losses can be on the paper and not in real game (as at first the bets should not be placed in reality at the roulette table).

The invaluable advantage of this test is that a roulette betting system must be tested no less that over hundred placed bets. On this ground the prognosis about the efficiency of the system could be made.

Results
While using Van Keelen test (with 100 000 tested bets) even an unfavorable result can be a characteristic of a good betting system. When system shows a true superiority over "0" - there is a possibility that with a progression it is possible to obtain continuous gains.

Examples
Let's examine few examples of using Van Keelen test on some roulette betting systems.

The betting system has superiority in the next cases:

Even money bets (high-low, red-black, odd-even)

1. 
   
   
   • After 1 000 bets - the gain is more than 100 units;
   • After 8 000 bets - the gain is more than 60 units;
   • After 100 000 bets - the gain is more than 1 000 units.

Six number bets (lines)

1. 
   
   
   • After 1 000 bets - the gain is more than 100 units;
   • After 8 000 bets - the gain is more than 200 units;
   • After 100 000 bets - the gain is more than 600 units.

Twelve number bets (dozens, columns)

1. 
   
   
   • After 1 000 bets - the gain is more than 50 units;
   • After 8 000 bets - the gain is more than 50 units;
   • After 100 000 bets - the gain is more than 2000 units.

So, Van Keelen test is proven to be an effective one among other methods of roulette betting system evaluation such as the reality test and the millions spin test.

 

Gambling IQ

Here Hit & Run is magic, because instead of betting on a rolling basis and having a fuzzy win target along the way you can aim for +1 unit or a TIE.
That way you have good gambling control over the situation, where you know after a couple of quick sessions with +1 unit suddenly hit a bad situation and is isolated to one session that you get aware of immediately and not during ups and downs and don't have any clue what the future holds for you.
This bad start alerts you that you now have no other choice or target than recopying and recovering to reach a TIE situation.

The set-up rules are simple.

1) you make +1 unit and decide to stop for the day or make another session with the knowledge that the next one can be a challenge or a quick unit.
2) you make a TIE and decide to stop for the day or make another session with the knowledge that the next one can be a challenge or a quick unit.
3) you run into a bad situation and have to recoup and recover to achieve a TIE and after that decide to stop for the day or make another session with the knowledge that you can face another challenge or a quick unit.

At the current moment, I think I prefer this GAMBLING IQ dialogue to betting on a rolling basis and being in the middle of ups and downs when facing a bad situation that becomes a challenge and I don't have to keep track of the winnings and losses at all times.
With my example above you either win +1 on the unit or aim for a TIE, which is efficient and simple with a sophisticated gambling IQ to tackle things in the optimal ways, based upon my knowledge and opinion.

Cheers

 

Philip Koetsch
Describe that around 3 reveals on average with every 100 placed trail rounds
Keep that in mind when having a positive return on investment flat betting 1000 placed trails.
Is like having two cookies to bite on where I consider both +1 and +0 as a winning bet.

Cheers

 

Will maybe simulate this with real money - wrote to Leo Vegas - where I will play baccarat.
If I can deposit and withdraw money whenever I want to without any strange rules about making some kind of turnaround of money before withdrawal - send support one email and wait for an answer.

Cheers

 

the graph looks good....

but you need to hit slightly higher than 63% of your next 109 bets to achieve your 100 unit gain in 1000 placed bets

I would be interested in seeing the completed graph to see how close you get

 

I am good with 70+ and I will not do any further testing on a rolling basis, I don't feel there is a need for that.
I have some simulation software that pinpoints out 3+ STDs and I will take those distribution samples and see how Holloway's progression recoup and recovers towards a TIE after such a bad sequence.

So around 100 3+ STD bad situations to get a feel for Holloway and see around how many trails it takes to complete a TIE.
After I understand that part I will start with real money and baccarat at Leo Vegas.
And use a spreadsheet to record all my sessions each and every made bet - just like Kimo Li.

Other successful players with similar methodology have spent a whole day at the casino to solve a recovery situation.
I belive I can minimize that situation with the strategy that I mentioned above where I face a bad sequence at the beginning and not in the middle.

Cheers

 

You can't compare baccrats to roulettes! Baccarats is the unbalanced proposition and roulettes is the balanced proposition. The imbalance what favor bankers is what make it possible to capture profits on the bets flat basis, hey hey!!!!

 

Hello Soxfan, yes I can compare, the strategy works perfectly flat betting Banker side only.
With the same results and success ratio.

And even if you think the difference between the Banker and Player sides has any effect on the overall results I have to mention Wizard Of Odds - he states that there is no way to take advantage of the difference between the Banker and Player side, no matter what triggers or algorithms or any other existing selection process -

Cheers

 

But I have to admit is not perfect, nothing is.
I got 1 session out of 39 winning that did not complete a reversal, flat betting.

And this shows that we get small, medium and large corrections, but not always full corrections.
The 1 session recouped and corrected itself up to -1 unit, so it was a close one, flat betting.

I decided to save the session and stop after 300 trails as I see that as 8-hour visit limit.
Now I can adjust this to a winning reversal using Holloway progression so I get 40 winning sessions.

Is like a pendulum that swings in the bigger picture where one side is favouring and one side is not favouring.
And where one side can stand ahead at all times during a 300 trail sample.

So I identified the black swan and fully understood with my gambling IQ that one side can at some point be ahead at all times during a 300 trail sample or 8-hour session when flat betting.
So my question is how much is the sweet spot in the difference when one side stays ahead when not getting a full recovery of correction?
And does the Holloway or Gr8player progression overcome that slight difference in so many occasions that you can win overall and consistently.

Because the test and simulation match what other Punters state.
They can flat-bet the majority of the time and occasionally apply a negative but conservative progression.

So my interest is the value -1, or can it at some point go -10 or even higher?
I don't know as this is new territory for me and the reason I want to collect 100 sessions is where one side stays ahead for 8 hours of sessions or 300 trails.

As Holloway recoups with 10% increments I assume I can tackle a -10 continuous drawdown for 8 hours or 300 trails.
But not above that as I then need to create some kind of stop loss and then we can debate if you can bet in the long term or not.
Depending on if the amounts of win targets overcomes the stop losses.

This pretty much has a dialogue about the dilemma any Punter has to face when flat betting.

Cheers

 

Today I tested a 3+ STD with Holloway and it works like clockwork.
That was around -20 the opposite towards my Ecart play.
And the reversal and Holloway tackle things smoothly.

I use another smaller and more rapid frequency than the flat betting sample above.
Thats why there was such a large swing that would have been smaller with a large frequency of periodic levels.

The highest unit placement was 5 units

Cheers

 

Today i read a silly comment about several existing +EV strategies for baccarat, plain garbage.
I know how and why you can succed betting with no progression and in this topic any one can prove there claims with a simple chart.

So why are the no takers, i tell you, i can use less then five fingers on my right hand to mention who can and soxfan is not one of them.

 

I definitely can’t.

 

cps10 I will say yes to your question to join and I will show you amazing things for both baccarat and roulette
Is just that I don't want to touch my 10000$ bankroll for sports trading and invest in casino games as I have some trading strategies with +EV

Without knowing exactly what Kimo Li do things I am pretty sure that I am close or spot on with the same methodology and accurate selections.
I can even make a twelve-number bet produce a better result than the van Kelen chart above with an even money bet.

My confidence in cracking random bits is so great that I have been considering travelling around Europe to play in real casinos.
But such adventure needs preparations and planning and at least 10000$ and another bank for expenses.

Will send you a private message and some PDF material of the foundation on the methodology.
But as I mentioned I still considering purchasing Kimo Li methodology to diversify...

 

I can definitely work with you on this. I have seen Kimo Li’s stuff in the past but not sure if I have his full method.

 

I've devoted around 14 years of my life to playin baccarats on the fulls-time basis and have captured nets profits of around 4 million CDN$ over that time. Yer just another cat what come on forum talkin theoretical bulls-shits and you don't even actually play the game, hey hey.

 

You got to post the same b.S in every thread. What's wrong with you? Who comes on to what is basically an anonymous site and brags about themselves? You are truly pathetic.

 

Question

It seems that many claim they can flat betting, still there is no takers on posting one grahp with 1000 placed bets, wounder why?

Cheers

 

+100 after commission with at least 1000 bets, right? Difficult to do flat betting.

 

Not true! Soxfan does it with Baccarat and Craps and makes $40,000.00 a month! He figured out the secret sauce to beat random numbers!

 

Now that’s some funny shit right there @Jimske