Baccarat Question to those that uses the martingale betting method

I need advice on how I recoup from busting on a 5 step martingale (31 units)? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. TIA

Mr . Jon Wick

 

I don’t understand losing a 5 step Martingale comes up to 31 units down. If you had won the 5th step, you are 1 unit up.

All it takes for a Martingale strategy to fail is for you to lose one time a 5 step martingale and you would be fighting back from the abyss.

Surely, there is a more peaceful way to try and win...

 

Sorry buddy that why Marty suck, you only need to lose one. It’s sustainable if your wealthy until you are not. Most people realise this eventually, I had the same rude awakening. Now I cross of that loss . Now I just flat bet and it works for me. The only Lazarus event that can help you is winning the mega lottery, maybe time to change you money management. cheers

 

Ask yourself why Martingale? Why not Flat Betting or something in between?
If you look at the biggest of the big picture, Martingale is a grind perhaps even more conservative than Flat betting. You are looking for Residual win units after a bust. Because of the tremendous probability by using a 5 Marty, people tend to abuse it by playing way to much. Look at the Math side because Math are facts. Although in the short run there may be imbalances but in the long run Math will prevail.
If you use 5 Marty, you have to predetermined 5 bet selections in order to get that probability of 97% win rate. If you don't predetermined the hands and only bet one bet at a time, you are just getting 50/50 and lost 5 hands in a row. The difference is the 5 losing hands mentioned can happen anywhere any time and you are allowing it and not restricting it. But for Martingale ,you have a specific trigger and then only bet which means your 5 losses can only happen at one specific place and that will gave you that 97%.
This is the reason why people failed with Martingale. A winning Martingale does not start when the player is on a losing streak. A player that goes on tilt after having a bad run uses Martingale in the midst of a losing streak and that is the one that is disastrous because the Marty is used to rescue the losing bets and not used to win or get ahead.
A 5 Marty should win 1 in 32. If you chart the shoes you had played and look for a five hand to happen twice in 32 blocks, that means that 5 hand has exceeded it's probability because it is supposed to happen only once in 32 hands. This is known as an imbalance and now you can plan accordingly. No doubt the perfect storm can happen for you to lose the moment you bet against the imbalance hand BUT in the long run you know you will win enough units to cover that bust because the Math allows it. Playing closely to Math usually succeed because Math don't lie.

 

martingale is just dumb after a couple of losses what are you doing, basically trying to win your own money back.

 

Use a 5 Marty 1,2,,4,8,16 and try it on the wizardofodds. com free Baccarat play. Win 1 unit a day. Do it until you bust twice. You can use whatever method you choose. Just 1 win.
You have to be fair to yourself and to everyone. You might win and you might lose but I can guarantee you the losses will be manageable and not what you think. You just can't argue with Math.

 

Make just one and then stop? So for 30 days, you make 1 unit and stop and go home.

On the 31st day you bust a 5-step martingale and then start all over again? Gee, when did you start playing Baccarat? ‍♀️

 

Five step marti bet one even money good bet, step five 16 to 1,bet 16 to win1 bad bet maths don't lie.

 

This is exactly where you jump the gun. I told you to be fair and try before you jump into conclusion. Baccarat is negative. EV game. What makes you think you can get ahead by a substantial margin? Getting ahead is already a feat. What makes you think Flat Betting is any different from Martingale. Both are facing the same odds. Do you understand what odds is. So you use the law of averages to describe Martingale but not for Flat Betting?. You have no idea the power of a Hit & Run. A criteria which is so critical for Martingale.
Why people use Martingale? Because winning with Flat Betting is very difficult especially the Human Factor side. Martingale is so much easier to maintain. Either win your units or bust. Either both, you have to call it a day. There are too much indecision with Flat Betting because you are constantly saying to yourself .See How It Goes and that is the thing that will test you to the limit.

 

You are considered and known as foremost in Baccarat. You talked about Hot Phase, Sar Chi or more accurately Killing situation Phase and Neutral Phase. In otherwards, you are talking about selective betting. You ADVOCATE DID NOT WIN IS BETTER TO LOSE or You only bet the time you HAD to bet and not the time you WANT to bet. These are the thoughts and actions of a calculative gambler.
But you failed to employ the Facts which is the Math part along with fallacies to further confirm your experience. By utilizing all the gamblers' edge options will further move you towards an advantage player.
What is the most common situation in a session? Is it the long string of wins? Or is it the long string of losses? Can it be the opposite or same of outcomes in long runs? All these are considered out of the ordinary although it does happen often. The most common situation in a Baccarat session is the BACK & FORTH situation.
Think about this. If you chart and gauge your luck and use all the gamblers edge options and engage PROBABILITY (Martingale) and Hit & Run, you most likely going to succeed because the MATH part allows it. If you average 35 wins to a 31 unit bust with a 5 Marty, what is not good about it? Now you are winning REALISTICALLY grinding residual unit wins against a bust. If you want to be more conservative, you can even include a FILTER and QUALIFIER into the TRIGGER (entry point). In addition you can also MANUFACTURE extra PROBABILITY before executing your Martingale and all these is derived from Math and not fallacies alone.
So far in your post and Punkcity post, all you guys say is fallacies. I hardly read anything concrete explaining anything concerning Math.But anyway, I am not saying my way is the only way to win. Remember in Baccarat , you can bet either side and that explains a lot.

 

OMG! You just analyzed your own statement. Bet 1 to win 1 with 1st bet is good bet. Bet 16 to win 1 on the 5th bet is bad bet. Where is your HAVING 5 chances to win ? There is no good or bad .It's still 50/50 with House Edge. Do you have any idea losing 5 bets in a row is after you have predetermined the bet selection and entry point in advance? Its 96.9%. 96.9% to win 3.1% of money at risk is the same as 50% to win even money in Math. Test it without real money then comment. You need to be fair to yourself and to everybody.

 

Craps, sorry for my misguided comments. Ya, sure, to each its own.

Having regards to all kinds of personalities, I for one cannot imagine the pressure (or the junkie thrill; to each his own) at the 5th step. If one’s unit bet (UB) is 1,000 or 10,000. Even with a UB of 100, at 3,100 loss possibility v a 100 win possibility even with a nearly 50:50 probability...,

Really, it takes all kinds. But my heart cannot and should not take it.

My apologies again, a strategy for the younger set may not be suitable for the older gen. as Gamestop and Reddit has shown.

 

My recommended MM is to stop when lost 3 out of the last 4 bets. ND stops when 3 LIAR. So both of us wont reach the 5th step for the Marty.

 

Lmao

 

I had experimented and found that 5 Marty is the easiest to manage because 31 units is not a lot when total bankroll is concerned. You need the probability be a bit substantial. Anything lower than 95% is not good because the % starts from 50 and not 0. If you study Martingale closely, most of the time you actually be at the short end of the Law of Averages and still ended up winning. Reason is simple because out of the 5 hands you might ONLY win 1 and lost 4 but still end up winning. Apart from imbalances, one cannot abandon the logical stuffs because logically true usually tilt towards true. Otherwise how else insurance companies calculate premiums.

 

Sorry Jon, we got a little off track because we did not address your questions that is what plans after a 5 Marty bust.
Playing with Martingale is a business meaning you have profits( unit wins) and expenses( bust) You cannot treat Marty as a money printing mentality You still has to be very selective where there is a lot of charting with less play. You are not looking for wins but are looking to avoid the bust. Tip toe across a land mine. Nibble at the cheese without biting. When you do business, you must have a master bankroll where after a setback, you will use plan B and subsequent plans.
I save you the time because from my experience, winning 8 units a day with 5 Marty is best if you want to play 2-3 shoes a session. My record is 51/2 winning days total 44 units to one bust 31 units. After each bustI will keep the daily 8 units going but will win an extra 2 units to cover the previous bust. If 2 nd bust comes, I will go to plan C using the next tier Martingale of doubling the unit of plan A . Once I recoupa a bust units, I moved back down 1 tier. I have 5 tier with a $25,000 total bankroll starting with $25 unit with Plan A.

 

A word of suggestion. We are Humans and try to act Humans. Emotions and Deviation will happen. We are constantly fighting the complete contrast in us. Therefore why fight it? Use a progression like Marty that has all the basic behavior of Humans towards gambling which is can't wait to make the next bet after a loss and chasing. Martingale has all that and yet can be successful if you know how it can hurt you and benefit you. Always take a week's break after a bust. Keep going back to the casino just to decide where and which shoe you would have played and gather those records because those hands are part of your destiny. Compared them to your previous records and find imbalances.
A lot of homework just like due diligence in sticks trading. If you bust twice and had to go to plan C, take 2 weeks off. My record streak is winning 52 days in a row for 416 units profit and my worst in 2 bust in 3 series. The most I ever gone to is Plan C. Remember ,you can only be down 31 units if you bust the very first unit with 0 unit won. If you win 15 units and a bust, all you have to do is use plan B with same bankroll as plan A but win 10 instead of 8 to recoup the balance of the initial bust. This way you can keep the daily winnings ngs going and recouping as well. Once you recoup, it's back to plan A. Good Luck.

 

I want to thank everyone for their honest feedback. It is greatly appreciated. I want to say a special thank you to Craps. Thank you for sharing your marty strategy plan. I believe it will help me be a better player as a marty believer. I can care less of what others think but like what Craps suggest, with careful planning and not go gun-ho playing a marty system you can be successful. Again thank you to all that replied.

 

Thanks for the appreciation. You are welcome. We know about probability but I still feel the bad side of Martingale the risk don't quite justify the wins. I would like to have the benefits of an 8 Marty with the risk of a 5 Marty bankroll. How? It's what I called MANUFACTURED PROBABILITY.
There are a lot of Marty players that wait for 3 virtual losses before executing the 5 Marty and have the wrong idea that he is getting an 8 Marty. By letting your trigger happen anyway in a shoe has absolutely no value. It only gives you an entry point. To get probability for the trigger itself, you need to predetermined when the trigger has to happen in order to gain manufactured probability. Example, you can say I want BBB to come at hand 10-12 and bet BBBBB after that. If you let BBB come anywhere in the shoe, there is no value because you took too many chances for BBB to happen. The real probability only start when you bet BBBBB with the first B at 1/32 to bust and then 1/16, 1/8 ,1/4 and lastly 1/2. If your trigger comes at specific predetermined hands then you will get the 8 step Marty odds. The drawback is you got to wait a long time to have a chance to bet. Cheers!

 

How about a modified Long Martingale with the benefits of a 9 Martingale but only risking far less than the 511 units.
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