Baccarat Question to those that uses the martingale betting method

Looking forward to it. Can't wait.

 

Hi Craps,

I'm always interested to read your comments.

Please continue....

Thanks in advance.

 

Note this quote

 

There is a different number quote between the two of your posts , small accounting adjustment?
All I can say craps is good luck with what you are advertising.
55 days lol
Come back in a year of full casino play, I don’t think so.
I sincerely hope you succeed but from experience I see you Marty folk fold by the wayside over the last twenty plus years at the casino.
The unfortunate part is you will influence many that read this , they will not succeed as perhaps the way you have led them to believe you have.
If you are promoting this Marty style at least give them the full accurate information that you are using to obtain the (conflicting ) result of unit won for 55 days. In essence you are giving them a load gun with a hair trigger.
I think waiting two weeks is meaningless the card , shoe , casino has no memory of your loss. You should clarify that statement and say I would presume something like this ( my skippy speak) after losing my arse today, my nerves are shot to the shithouse and back, I’m fucked up. Gotta take a break. Ie 2 weeks off to get one’s nerves straight. Hardly a viable selection criteria or bet strategy imho.
No hard feelings but as stated best of luck with that hair trigger. Cheers

 

I recently tested a pure mechanical anti-streaks style usin a shorts leash grand marty and show a net profits of 3.3 units per shoe buckin up against just over 26, 000 tested shoe. But ya gotta use a grand marty to capture more than 1 units profit per winning bet, to over come the tax on bankers win. And shrewd cat only gonna ever bet on the bankers side of the equations, hey hey.

 

Would you mind sharing your method with us? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

You do realise that it’s a sim run.? To actually produce the net result you have about 17 years of play every day of the week for 4 shoes @ approximately 2 hours per shoe .
It’s somewhat different to achieve that in real play, soxfan would be able to , mainly because he’s extremely experienced and understands nuances as per many posts he has posted.
I should doubt craps would as he advocates a unrealistic destiny incantation, I would assume you would also struggle Jon, purely from my supposition that you have yet to figure something out on your own, hence this thread , hence your request to soxfan.

I strongly endorse craps statement that a Marty is NOT a method , I’m a gazillion % in agreement.

With that in mind Jon I would recommend you do some study this forum there are snippets of information available to you that won’t damage you financially.
But
If you are really wealthy Jon, don’t worry, continue to Marty and by all means try the craps method he’s suggesting being the posts he’s made here. I noticed he’s Marty on the break time after a loss , 2weeks ,then , 3 weeks, then I would naturally assume 4weeks . After 4 th loss is it Suicide?
A few have done the jump here in skippy township as I remarked previously not many Marty folk make it too far . But you and Joey will be ok , just do as craps suggests . I’m mean math based destiny is an excellent selection criteria.
Perhaps you too have doubts about his destiny based method maths. Perhaps that’s why you’re asking for soxfan method?

I should think myrtle thread holds more of a chance of success personally. If I had to choose between a hair trigger pistol in my mouth and myrtles method, I’d go myrtles hands down as I post his thread previously I have seen it in action years ago. But on stadium 20 sec to hard time wise to do. Imho.
But
I really wish you three, craps , Jon and joey the best of luck. My sincere best wishes for you all. Cheers

 

No confusion here.
8 units a day.
Average wins against losses is (51/2) five and a half days x 8 which is 44 units against 1 bust which is 31 units. 44 is greater than 31 by 13 units. Bottom line result is 13 units profit after a bust in the long run.
Longest streak without a bust is 52 days totaling 416 units. Those 52 days are a stretch of days played back to back with some non playing days in between. The worst is 2 bust in 3 series. Clear as mud.
Taking a break after a bust is a psychological move because we are Humans. It's fallacy but do no harm
Telling people to play Martingale is indirectly helping people to take gambling away and replace it with work. When you work and don't break rules, you get paid.
When you say pausing, taking a break of 2 weeks is meaningless because cards have no memory of you losing is like saying why a stop /loss when you flat bet on a bad day? Why not play every hand because cards don't make you lose just because you lose the hand before? Fallacy and Facts are both equally important. The difference is you just cannot leave the facts out and totally rely on fallacy alone.

 

Hi, Craps I hope u won't mind sharing 5 step Marty Bet selection, really appreciate it, thanks

 

Read this quote above.

I have put this quote here because here it is also of value to Jon. This is a better explanation of your process ,it’s not completely all the details but it’s better than the information you have posted here this thread. The point I would like to make was that you are misleading some of the readers imho BUT this quote will help them to understand that you are doing something OTHER than just Marty.
I assume you can see that they are not you, they will not process the information that you are able to. But you can certainly try to explain better than you have thus far. That quote is a start. Imho
I have posted previous posts on this topic that you ( generic you ) cannot teach fully what you do ,the recipient of your method 9 times out of 10 cannot do it . A number of posters have mentioned they have experienced the same results , ( gizmotron being the rarest exception and one or two others from what I have gathered from various threads) the general concensous being that they will misinterpreted what you say, not use totally what you say in the correct manner ( rules, triggers, hit and runs, virtual select, bankroll etc) . And to cap it off usually say whatever you taught was crap, too hard to understand, or they modified it, ( but oh it doesn’t work now lol)
In this last sentences above paragraph, I can agree with your destiny comment being a personal thing.
Nevertheless this quote is very important to the readers that are already asking you for your information. That quote is the reply I was asking you to post this thread. Now do the exploded diagram, the walk through that is needed that takes the hair trigger pistol out of the equation.
Up until this quote no you where not helping anyone with the Marty, you claim rule base etc , do the work etc but you have not provided. Hopefully you will be prepared for the long haul of questions and answers to help them over the line as I would think it’s morally unethical for one to abandon the reader that starts your project with your endorsement to Marty . They may not have the $25 k you do.
I like Nathan d disclaimer he posts every now and then something along the lines of player beware or user discretionary required.
As for the other points you raise on the other thread I will address there tomorrow, good points by the way. Cheers

 

Lol rlmao priceless.

 

I can't gave you a spoon fed bet selection because my DESTINY is different from yours. There is nothing lousy or stupid about how to decide your bet selection. I can't speak for the Flat Betting gurus because they are all about bet selections. Take the 600 shoes Zumma tester book. You can it buy online. Many systems seller would derived a method to beat that book. If they can't they will tweak by using a progression to beat it. People do not understand the 600 shoes Zumma book is like a pebble on the sea shore compared to the possibilities an 8 deck Baccarat can do.
However, if you looked at the blocks of 3s. , without any reason whatsoever, BBP is the most popular bet selection.That means PPB is the least popular bet selection.
Another popular bet selection is after a Dragon Run which is 6 hands and above on one side, as soon as it turns, REBET the Dragon Run Hand.
The Asians called it Turn around and smile. Some people just swear by this bet alone using a 8 or 9 step Marty .
I am just giving you info on what I see and know and by no means telling to you to play this way.

 

That`s why casino games are referred to as gambling .No 2 ways to slice the mustard .

 

Gamble ? Yeah with 2 mindset. Do you gamble to gamble or gamble to win? Big difference. Are you going for the wins or avoiding the losses? Do you think of how and ways to win by accuracy or by REAL probabilities? Do you have complete faith in what you are doing or kept experimenting?

 

Yeah Yeah ad infinitum.....................

 

I like Martingale because it blends with my character. I hate losing. I refused to lose. When I put my bet in the box and when it is gone, the thought of falling behind bothers me. I used to go on tilt betting recklessly. I will find an excuse to place a bet. Most of the time I will get back my money. Why? Because of having numerous chances of getting ahead or breaking even. This is call probability and the trade off is using big money to win a little or just breaking even. I did all this reading the shoe. I can win for few days and gave all back in 1 day. Sounds familiar? This kind of players are the WORST and this type of players are usually experienced players. Anyway I am glad these experiences turns out to be a blessing in disguise because it makes me turned from a I came here to gamble person to a I came here to steal person.

How do the weak do damage to the strong? By attacking in the dark and not going head to head with the strong. Fight like a coward. Do SMALL damages. A Baccarat Terrorist. Terrorist are no match to the Mighty American Army but they still can managed to do small damages.
How do the Tortoise wins the race over the Hare? By conserving energy and grind a step at a time non stop while the Hare needs rest and falls asleep. This translates to not trying to beat the House but let the House beat itself.

Martingale has all the characteristics of an impatient gambler such as me which is either win your target units or experience the bust. No Back & Forth. All those talk and advice of bet low when you are down and bet more when you are up are all hindsight stuffs. Why try to be somebody that you can't be?

First thing first. MINDSET. Forget about winning big. Forget about playing a lot of hands. Forget about making excuses. Need to accept doing a lot of preparation work. Need to chart more and play less. Need to manage your winnings STRICTLY. Need to pay attention and not make mistakes.
Need to organize both on and off the game including your schedule. Need to take care of your health and emotions. If you don't care or don't pay attention to these stuffs, don't MARTINGALE.

What is homework? No tester books. No simulators. No scorecard from shoes that you did not play. You can use shoes that you would have played but did not because your purpose is to get the charts. Let's use 5 Marty. Blocks of 5 from hand 1-5, 6-10 etc. Staggered it which is hands 2-6, 7-11 etc. More hands 3-7, 8-12 etc. Next 4-8, 9-13 etc and lastly 5-9, 10 -14 etc. Now your 1 shoe has become to look like 5 shoes. Tons of ways to interpret. You can focus on B, P. You can do same or opposite etc. There are 32 permutations to look for. The block of pattern that occurs the most from 50 shoes back to latest is the chosen one. If there is a tie, go further back until the tie disappear. Please note I am just giving an example and not set in stone. I currently have 8 ways to look for imbalances and I am only looking to win 1 unit from each to reach my daily 8 units. Furthermore, I use a RANDOM UX App from Playstore to randomize the order of which one to play first. After I win my units, I will continue to finish documenting the whole shoe and add it to my existing records.

All the above are Fallacies but it does have associations with the LAW of AVERAGES.

Shake and bake. Twist and turn don't mean a thing when the real probability only begins the moment you bet. But still you have to make a decision how to get there. What and when to bet. That's why Fallacy helps. Try to do it your way. No better or worse than the example that I have given.

What happens after you win? If you have a day job, keep your job and just be a weekend gambler. Lock up 25% of your winnings. You can spend it. Do not touch those units that you have won because the bust will come. This is what sets me apart from other Marty users. Marty to them is HOLY GRAIL, they will keep. If not will abandon even after one bust because the thought of giving a chunk of winnings back is unacceptable without knowing the true wins are the RESIDUAL units. The units after a bust if any. I can tell you there will be long long streaks of winning days,. It is absolutely a confidence builder. You would in fact smile when the bust comes. By playing this way would require the House to overcome enormous probability to take a 31 unit bankroll from you. NO indecisions. No Sitting Duck type of bet selections. Just chart and execute.

A common thing about players reading the shoe as it unfolds. When they win, they can sit out ten hands protecting their wins. When they lose a couple, they can't sit out more than 3 hands and have to find an excuse to bet. Good Luck!

 

Craps,

I want to thank you so much for your reply. After reading this post I want to say I totally agree with every single word you said. I really appreciate your insight. People on here might disagree with what you post and it is bad advice, but who gives a crap its my money and I will risk it the way I see fit. Everyone has there own method of playing. For me this is a affirmation that a martingale strategy works if used correctly. Thanks again, stay safe and blessed.

-Mr. Wick

 

You ever noticed that people here never gave anything away. They play the game with See How It Goes. They do win. Don't get me wrong. They can't explain their successes. I never for once tell people about how to spot B or P after looking at patterns. Take a mini version of a shoe 10 hands. Let's say some kind of sequence alerted you to bet P. Example BBPPBBP bet P.
So these 10 hands has 8 permutations left.
BBPPBBP P BB
BBPPBBP P BP
BBPPBBP P PB
BBPPBBP P PP
BBPPBBP B BB
BBPPBBP B BP
BBPPBBP B PB
BBPPBBP B PP
As you can see the pattern recognition of the first 7 hands will lead you to bet P on the 8 th.hand. When the shoe runs out to 10 hands, 4 of them will have you a winning P at 8th. and 4 of them will have you a losing hand at 8th. This clearly tells you 50 % chance to win and not more. So how in the World can pattern recognition be reliable?
Where is the solid explanation that one has probability or getting a selection more right than wrong?
I purposely use a 10 handed shoe so that everyone can see all the possibilities. A 75 handed shoe has millions of millions of possibilities and that is why people can't fathom and thought certain occurrences are more than others not accepting everything is a double edge sword. Or Ying Yang.
This is a Baccarat forum and anything about Baccarat can be discussed. I always support my findings with an explanation. Whether people agree or not does not bother me. So people, learn approaches and thought process and not how to catch B or P because you can't.

 

“If you want something badly enough, the whole universe will conspire to make it happen.” Paulo Coelho

But more often than not, it kills the gamblers who believes they will win just because they hate to lose. Humility is very important to triumph in this game.

I suppose anyone on this forum who has survived gaming have their own safety triggers. Martingale adds to the danger of the game. Craps has argued coherently and sometimes incoherently for it and has qualified it with his own rules. Give it your own identity Craps Marty or Controlled Marty or whatever. Or Marvin Gaye Marty. Sounds good. To me.