Baccarat Craps and punkcity dialogue thread.

Oh one more thing before I forget.
One of the main things I found and I have posted this already this forum on another thread that I did feel restricted by live dealer dealt shoes.
The dealer shoes are approximately 85-90 hands long and it is a finite event. Cut card comes out end of shoe . Bang (maybe one extra hand if lucky) you are in a situation you, and this has happened to me , are martingale, you haven’t won and the shoes over . Same thing happened with progressive bet style, etc. I found I was having to lose more money than needed. This finite shoe was another tilt trigger , cloud of judgement, I’m running out of hands etc. and when the shoe ends and your on a 8 stage Marty from a $100 unit with no win what do you start the new shoe betting? Stage 9 Marty first up. Tilt tilt.
That’s another reason in my opinion the rng stadium infinity game is brilliant at taking another tilt factor out of the equation. Imho.
Cheers

 

Craps with all the reasons you are advocating for Marty why are you tilting as per your posts here ? Surely you are saying by the math a profit is Guaranteed yes say it again GUARANTEED using Marty then one would assume the casino would have shut the games down by now
Guaranteed profit by Marty surely even blind Freddie and every Joni moron would be rich from Marty
Guaranteed profit from Marty by the math but yourself don’t even believe it enough to just bet your method and win , you are tilting so there must be more than a MARTY MATH to get you across the line.
Oh and for clarity YOU ARE saying the only way to win is your way because no one uses math to explain why they succeed. That’s my read on your posts.

I read here from your posts you want to gamble , perhaps participate in baccarat maybe a better sentence , I really hate the word gamble , yet you go into this business with both arms tied behind your back, untie your hands . You know you are not profiting from the way you are wielding your math Marty at the moment, similar to a guy opening a shop a seawater shop in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean , sure the math says you have plenty of local source stock etc etc. but you are going broke.

If you truly believe in your math Marty, your balls should be so big you would be betting to high limit tables max bet and not blink an eye lid.
No I’m sorry the math doesn’t in fact add up. The casino knows it , they know it’s a major part , they know you know it , they know you will not succeed because you only have math.
You can list all the trigger points to enter the time to bet to succeed in the math inspired Marty but you , nearly all of you CANNOT make it win on a consistent enough basis, you are not being banned then going to news media and outing it , you are not winning and being interviewed world wide .
Mostly Marty player comes to forums like this , they spout the wisdom of math Marty, lose their shit, then they post how do I recover or just simply slink off into the sunset . Just read the threads then see when and where they drop out ( easy math deduction activity)

So would it be fair to say you are not entirely correct in you assumptions as your belief in what you advocate wanes consistently imho

All I have been saying to you during this course of dialogue is have an open mind, deal with your character traits then apply yourself to your belief system and be true unto your self.
Your math is not working personally for you. Imho.
Cheers

 

Bbbbwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, cats still feuding and goin round and round with the same stuffs and thing. And cats still repeating nonsenses about the baccarats bein the 50-50 proposition, hey hey.

 

I would not call it a feud neither of us has gone bitch slappy. I’m trying to find out what is driving a math person to gamble when the math as they maintain is the reason you cannot win at baccarat.
I’m trying to fit the fallacy, math , destiny statement into a understanding of sorts.
I would be interested if craps posted this theory he’s suggesting over at that other site, how much traction would it get, would it be fully endorsed as a viable math oriented method by those there that always proclaim the math the math the math.
If someone says to me hey I just want to blindly gamble because I like gambling I’m ok with that. I can understand that. I know people have self destructive urges I’m good with that . But call it what it is. I didn’t blame anyone for me being a smoker I owned it, most people I knew blamed all sorts of things for their starting smoking, I really enjoyed it personally. Then 13years 49 weeks , 15 days and 22&1/2 hours ago I gave up because I didn’t enjoy it any more . I owned it.
I’m just inquiring from craps , he joined the discussion, but I do understand he’s not replying so no harm no foul. Cheers

 

Why suddenly mixed Marty with how it is used. One minute you were acknowledging that Marty and Flat betting has the same odds and it's a choice thing. Now you are potraying every Marty user at par with a Flat Better who plays every hand and who go against trends etc. You claim success with Flat Betting by how you go about doing it. I explained that I used more Math based criteria to design my play where I find large imbalances and bet accordingly. Sure, the perfect storm can happen but in the long run it can produce profits because Math don't lie. How many Marty users approach the way I approach? I am trying to explain the How to use Martingale effectively by having the right mindset and expectation. The Hit & Run is a very important component of achieving success with Martingale. It's not win your target and stop playing that kind of hit & run. It's the ultimate Hit & Run where winning 1 unit and done type.. The main idea is to make the House overcome enormous Probability for my type of approach to lose.
I have said before that giving one's ideas are often interpreted as I am right and you are wrong. Please don't go there. I would like to find out more solid explanation for your success with Flat Betting besides just saying you can win more than losing by just bet frequencies without having to varied the bet amounts.
Just wondering why long losses can happen to Martingale and not to Flat Betting ?

 

I can clear this.
House against player type of Math is different from player against House type of Math. The House can't accurately based using Math against an individual player because that player might have a bias type play. The House need actions from all it's customers to make the Math part effective.
The destiny simply means a player can only affect himself by his own choices and doings. To bring in other records and apply it to his methods should be thrown out. The using of Math is largely based on logical reasoning which is calculation based and not necessarily it happens definitely every time. The long run counts and that is why I based my design play with Math in mind. Example: If I win with a certain approach 16 units using 5 Marty, the logical move is to abandon the approach because the Math part dictates that they should be a bust once in 32 series. Now that you already won 16. If you used Math where all things are equal as a criteria to decide, the bust should come on the 17 series. Does it happen. Of course not but possible. The argument is having the probability on your side is the logical thing to do.

 

Good points I will address them tomorrow skippy island edst .
Cheers

 

You have not read my stadium thread have you?

 

I have been saying most of this in above quote for years . I find it ludicrous that “the math” disses any and all . But I’m happy to know what I do and I’m even more happy that so many don’t have a clue what they are doing ( no not a subtle poke at you) as I have posted numerous previous posts we need the gambling degen so that I can harvest as I do , as you claim you do. Cheers

 

I put this quote here not to boost this thread but because it’s really relevant here.

There see Soxfan not a feud, craps has finally answered the question I was asking , mind you he had to get emotional first but no big problem.
I think he ( you Craps ) has done an excellent job on himself. He has obviously identified that he was a mathematician with a degenerate gambling addition imho .
A definite conflict within as he would have been schooled with a definite bias against gaming yet he had an urge to gamble, and that’s against his schooling ,imho .
Yet here he is NOT being a self righteous hypocrite as most math people are that gambler for “ fun”, I have stated that previous posts as my personal dislike of many mathematicians and AP’s .

If you will recall page one this thread the main reason for this dialogue threads with craps was to ask him if he would participate in this discussion as a math person that gamble as I knew there was something that would make this a worthwhile positive undertaking.

Excellent post craps . I’m not being sarcastic etc. There are many layers to being a pro. In my humble opinion for one to be able to recognise what is quoted above of one’s self then proceed to fix ( for lack of a better word at this moment on my part) it speaks volumes in one’s commitment to not be a degenerate gambler. I know this is from another thread but the above is why you will succeed in what you are trying to do and the people that read that other thread will not succeed, they will use your Marty and the hints you have given them as a band aid that covers the real sore ( issues) and won’t see that it’s not the actual cure.
For your self continued best wishes.
Cheers

 

Yes most of this I have and other posters have already posted this forum but always worthwhile reiterating yet again. Cheers

 

Bit of a baseless general assumption on your part or is that the old mathy you rearing it’s head for a quick gasp of air. You actually have a few of those moments scattered around the interverse. As you have mentioned before we both acknowledged that there are points we agree on , and I would think you would continue to have an open mind as I do , in our discussions. Cheers

 

Thank you Craps I have gained insight to the questions I was asking of yourself for my own curiosity in this gaming industry.
Thanks
If you wish to discontinue this thread and wrap it up let me know. Craps feel free to reply or not to the last few posts by me here, then if you want to pull the pin on it then we will let the thread end then.

I would like to thank the readers for reading this thread and the couple of other posters that posted thanks for not sending it sideways. Was good contributing, thanks.
Finally thank you Craps once again as I can see by the time stamps you debating on your reply or not . Personally I think it’s been worthwhile and I hope others and yourself craps , have also found it worthwhile.
Cheers

 

One word. Inductive reasoning. That's why they are winners in the game. Lifetime winners? That I don't know because you need to lose to the point either you quit or change. Most people will never change.

 

Oh! yes. There are a lot of Flat Bettors out there. A high percentage of them goes on tilt and all it takes is 1 successful deviation and they will say Fuck it! I am very observant in the casino. If you play Stadium, your pace might be different because hands goes by quickly and they are very few outside 'elements' that can cause a person to be impatient. When someone is winning overall on a session, he almost never bring his previous results in. When he is ahead at the moment, he is ahead. He wins , he bets. He losses, usually free hand. The thought of protecting the wins cannot be ignored. On the other hand , when someone is behind, and especially when the ONLY way is to chase by win frequencies and not quality wins ( raised bet ) he will make MORE bets than normal unless of course his name is Punkcity. (just a fun jab)
When you plan everything with SEE HOW IT GOES, it plays with your situations and emotions. Period.!

One of the reasons I chose Marty. Trigger comes, BET. Trigger has not appear, WAIT.

 

I am not done yet. You can ignore me though. My whole purpose was not to bring people into Martingale. I am not defending Martingale as the ultimate way either. I am just curious why people especially the thinking players failed to see what I see. They don't seem to ask questions about the Martingale but dismiss entirely based on the short term impact it has on the player whether it is a win or a bust. In addition they view it as a devastating and harmful proposition. That prompts me to doubt myself whether I am crazy or something else. Till then.

 

Agreed, personal sense of righteousness on their part. Jon wick post page 2 his thread as an example. Personally I think you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. I do try to help but in the long run or as a matter of course probably a better statement we need them to lose and not change otherwise there is no opportunity for others to succeed with less scrutiny from the casino. If they all shipped up and flew straight then yes I would change my thinking on haveing to fly under the radar , yes I would have to watch my winnings and do something to disguise the take . In a nutshell thank god for losers.
I will address your other post this thread later. Good post
Cheers

 

Good post , I will address later. Cheers

 

Lol

 

Ok actually not a fun jab this is obviously stuck in your craw, to be clear I haven’t taken offence , and you are venting.
Another thing in this quote you claim excellent observation skills perhaps so , perhaps on what you are focusing on your triggers, you selected pretend bets to establish your destiny triggers, your focus on the pattern 8x3 etc to reinforce your destiny protocols, confidence etc. these things yes are your particular rules/method/triggers ( not quite sure what to call it so you best put the label on it and I will refer to your preference in future discussion, as no offence intended) are your main focus. I can appreciate that from you posting. Unfortunately your observation skills are not that good when spotting a flat better. To flat bet means exactly that one unit at whatever the value has been decided.

If you observe a “flat better” betting in any increment beyond the established unit value that person is not a flat better. That person is running a progressive betting mm of some form.

It appears to me and this is just my humble opinion that you are still projecting YOUR OWN fear as to the reasons why you think a person flat betting will tilt. Your still raw fears of emotion and anger about losing, fear of missing a bet etc ,are your projections .
I can only speak about flat betting on my OWN behalf. I have already posted why I haven’t continued with Marty or progressive betting, during our discussion between yourself and myself on a number of threads and posts, I’m not going to reiterate as you should remember or if you don’t then go look it up. I have stated that the particular process I employ can be used with Marty and progressive bets , once again I have given reason why I don’t already, ie go look it up. That is actually an answer to one of your other posts concerning why you ask Why don’t thinking people understand or see what you do, know, aspire to succeed with Marty etc. I had previously posted my preferences re Marty, I actually acknowledged its merits as you should rember and why I don’t use it. Ok
I can and do acknowledge and accept my own reasoning why I don’t Marty anymore.
I’m actually quite impressed that you are revolving around your $25 unit and $30 unit depending on which thread you are posting and personally I’m eager to see you succeed as I have previously stated so many of you don’t. In my experience as posted previously etc
Now back to my own take on flat betting is FOR MYSELF first and FOREMOST . When I flat bet I don’t tilt, read my previous threads and posts . It is in place as a hard and fast rules, I’m not concerned with a non unit profit today, tomorrow or the week. I can and do sustain heavy losses. ICAN and do recoup those losses and make a profit. I have a totally different mindset to what you seem to perceived about your misinformed take on the flat better as opposed to the progressive betters you have somehow mixed into the equation.
This obviously really gets under your skin my ability to do what I do because you are unable to understand what I do. Read the posts and threads I’m not spelling it out again as I already posted the process, rules, the walk through etc . I previously posted I don’t do others homework, I made an exception for you once already by posting the r r information early in our discussion etc.
So ask yourself why you have a problem that someone doesn’t tilt flat betting?
Imho flat betting why would you go bust? How can you go totally broke? Are you using all and I mean ALL your available finances to flat bet . If YOU are then yeah tilt away sunshine your a degenerate. You would have to be a complete imbecile in my opinion to
a) tilt if you are a real flat better
b) lose all you lifetime finances
c) if your selection criteria is that bad you not flat betting your a slot machine player.
Cheers