Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

That is all correct as per your description of how Oscar’s grind operates.

Session bankroll is 2,000 units. When a grind starts, there are no breaks until the series has ended with a positive outcome. This can be brutal as I carry the grind over from shoe to shoe until the series recovers. It’s not uncommon to be say negative 100 betting 7. In a scenario like that, the grind can last quite awhile if player is running strong. I’d actually say there’s rarely a day where I don’t see a grind go negative 100 or more. (Which on a side note I have thought about waiting for negative 100 to be my virtual trigger point, but I’ve found that it’s not as profitable as I can see it go negative 20 5-7 times or more and recover before seeing negative 100)

This style of play can be very mentally taxing. When using Oscar’s grind, I’ve created a count of sorts. In your example: if I’m negative 7 betting 1, I write down 7/1 or really 7 over 1 on my score card. When it wins I write down 6/2, and then 4/3, 1/2, and I’d that wins, +1. At which point I wait forever the virtual negative 20 before starting a new series.

While that doesn’t sound too exhausting or mentally taxing, it’s when you are in a heavy grind, we’ll say 452/37. While it’s still basic math, it gets pretty intense on stadium baccarat as you have less than 30 seconds after a hand decision to figure out where you are in the grind (or count as I call it). To top it off, I’m clocking two shoes at once, and if my second shoe is in a grind, then I have to work twice as fast.
So if my current bet is 37 units and my unit size is $113, then my next bet is $4,181.

And the most important part is not making a mistake. While this count and my unit size is more extreme than most, a little mistake such as be just 1 off in my count can cost me as little as $113, or kill my bankroll if I had been betting 37 units when I was only supposed to be at 34 or something.

After the series is over and if one were to see their mistake and get emotionally distressed because they are down several hundred at the end when they should have been up, this becomes tempting to disregard the plan to make that up (which I don’t do).

As for me, it’s a little easier to get caught up in big grinds as I have a small team helping me. My girlfriend, and my two best friends that I moved hallways across the country to help me.

In my operation, I have someone tracking one shoe, another tracking the other. My girlfriend and I track both and we make notes on what the next bet would be before the decision even comes out either way so that everyone’s numbers match up as fast as possible and to catch and eliminate any mistakes before the next bet has to be made.

I also split my bets up between the 4 of us to for a few reasons: example, if my unit size is $100, then we all place $25 bets. We do this to try and keep our machine cash out under $3,000.
If a grind gets a little more serious, then we switch to where only one person makes the bet so that we only have one machine cashing out for several thousand. While I haven’t had any issues with the casinos, I’m trying not to draw too much attention.

The first thing I do each day is put in $1,000 in a machine and cash out a ticket. I do this 20 times so that when the money is needed, I do t have to feed a machine hundred dollar bills and get caught up in waiting. Online players wouldn’t have this problem, I just don’t trust my money in an online casino at the level I’m playing at.

feel free if you have any more questions, cheers!

 

$1.00 could be your unit size even at a table with a $5.00 minimum if you are playing a game that lets you have $1.00 increments (such as stadium bac or online). The reason did this is because when you are virtually negative 20, the grind will usually have you betting around 5 units at that point. I’d not, obviously just wait until it calls foe at least 5 units. If one were to play this way, you wouldn’t have to wait foe negative 20, sometimes Oscar’s will see situations where you might be negative 12 betting 5 units. Personally I just like negative 20, it gives me time to recharge between grinds and not burn myself out focusing on hand after hand keeping a constant count of where the grind is. And after you play Oscar long enough you can usually walk up to a shoe and do th math in your head in seconds.

example: I’d I see a shoe going like this

P
P
P
B
P
P
B
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
P

I know within seconds that the current count is -20 betting 6. In that particular example, there are 15 hands. That would take most shoes about 15 minutes to get to that point. So if it’s a brand new shoe, I know I don’t have to pay too much attention or can go to the bathroom or walk around for 10 minutes without worrying about missing something.

to answer another question, yes, I carry on the grind from shoe to shoe until the series is completed. This can unfortunately go on for a couple shows if it’s a rough day. The longest I’ve ever gone just to complete a series was at a real table, about 5 and a half hours. Mostly because the hands took about 5 minutes a piece. I don’t recommend running a grind on a live table unless you are playing heads up.

once a series is finished, yes, I wait for a virtual negative 20 before starting again. Sometimes I have to wait a couple hours, but I usually see it happen almost once in every shoe on average. I play two shoes simultaneously, so I’m tend to see it happen twice an hour. My goal is to win 11 series a day. That usually gives me 200+ units after commission. Sometimes this happens in 5 hours, sometimes 10. However, if I don’t hit my goal after 8 hours, I usually just call it a day as I’m normally very burned out at that point. There are also bonus days. Sometimes upon arriving I’ll see the current shoe is at negative 60 or something, so jumping in at that point yields me a quicker payoff. This also used to happen when I’d take a break for lunch and come back. If even been fortunate enough to catch it at negative 100 or more, which is usually at the tail end of a shoe, but these days I have a small team, so we don’t all take lunch breaks at the same time, so the only lucky bonus we tend to see is upon arrival.

yes, a 2,000 unit bankroll was nearly wiped out in December, but from august through November I had played over 1,200 shows that never got halfway to that point.

what I was saying about a smaller bankroll, such as 500 units was that, with the proper build, you can make it work for you.


Here’s a real world example. In the last 8 days, we have played 107 shoes. We’ve made 2,600 units. In those 107 shoes, the deepest the grind went was in the 400’s. That’s some luck too, but 9 days ago, we went -616. But let’s just assume we started 8 days ago with a 500 unit bankroll, in the middle of day 3, we would have doubled our bankroll, so at that point one could choose to now use a 1,000 unit bankroll, or increase the value on your unit size in your 500 unit bankroll. If you doubled your unit size, then by the end of the 4th day, you could now add another unit to your betting size. Eventually you would need to reset, take your profits and start fresh or you run the risk of ruin. Trying to stretch a 500 unit bankroll over 100 shoes is a gamble, but the payoff is great if you keep increasing your unit size every time your wins allow you to do so. But ultimately, it will lose. But what I’m trying to say is that while you will lose that 500 unit bankroll, it doesn’t mean that you have to lose money. You can make your bankroll back several times over, but you obviously need some Lady Luck if all you have is a 500 unit bankroll. But if someone wanted to do this, I would suggest having a few backup bankrolls. I believe with 4 bankrolls of 500 units, you could become a money printing machine. Yeah, you’ll lose your roll from time to time, but from my numbers, you would have made some money if properly pressed and pulled.

I prefer a 2,000 unit bankroll instead of 4 500 bankrolls or 2 1,000 unit bankrolls.

I usually see a grind of negative 500 units probably almost once a week. Sometimes twice a week, sometimes I won’t see it for 10 days. But the fact is, I see it.

moving on to a 1,000 bankroll, since august, I’ve only gone negative more than 1,000 twice. The other one was foe -1,193

they both recovered, so I think a 1,000 unit bankroll is damn near perfect. I just prefer 2,000 units because it’s worked out great. Every day that I go in to the casino I expect to lose it. I know it’s gonna happen. And at this point, I’m not even going to be slightly upset, gonna take my team out for steak and we’re gonna celebrate and laugh off our loss of over $200,000. We’ll make it back in less than 10 days.

 

Thank you for your kind detailed responses. You did not mention anything at all about your bet selection...?

And frequency of play over say a month or a year?

Thanks

 

Joe! This information worth thousands what you just shared! did you got my PM and files?

 

Bet selection doesn't matter because in the end all 48-52 (minus commission) best is to choose which you can recognize easy like Joe described. Not complicated one!

 

Hi,Jae thanks for the detailed description, A few queries 1) If u are in middle of a session /series & shoe finishes u start with a fresh new shoe at same table or opt for new table from the very beginning of a new shoe or jump in at any point of the shoe
2) Why u opt for -20 units Virtual ,Why no more or less any logic behind this
3) In Dec when ur max drawdown was -1655 units what was the bet size at that moment, 4) After a win u increase ur bet size by how much % from base bet
5) Lastly if u are only playing banker & if banker streaks occur u can't profit if u are not -20 Virtual, Am I Correct

 

With 2,000 units there is no trigger, just betting bank every time; granted I wait for 20 virtual losses before starting my series.

I used to have a trigger that’s complicated to explain, but it only netted me one unit of profit per shoe. It worked great and allowed me to use a 60 unit bankroll, but there are many pros and cons to it. If I had to start completely fresh with a very small bankroll I would go back to that to build up a good bankroll again, but fortunately I don’t have to.

 

1) If I’m in the middle of a series I carry it to the next shoe. I can jump in the middle of any shoe if starting fresh, but when I’m grinding I don’t stop until I’ve finished the series with a positive outcome.
2) if I bet banker every hand, I tend to only average +10 units per shoe after commission. Since I almost see an average of negative 20 per shoe, it just makes more sense to start there because I can profit more, do less work, and pay less commission while using a smaller fraction of my bankroll. I have experimented with bigger virtual losses, -40, -50, and even -100.
They all work depending on your level of patience, but I’ve just found -20 to be my sweet spot.
3)I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I want to say biggest bet was just somewhere over 100 units, 119 is sounding familiar, but for some reason 137 also sounds familiar. I’d have to go back through those shoes and don’t really feel like doing it right now, but it was hefty. I was also betting $100 unit sizes so my bets were over $10,000. It was scary for sure. 4)Oscar’s grind doesn’t increase or decrease by percentage. If you aren’t familiar with the system, I recommend Google. As far as increasing percentages to my bankroll, every time I make $2,000 I increase my unit size by $1.00. Every 10 increases I revert back down to $100 unit size. This wasn’t always the case though, when I started doing it in august I was using $2.00 unit sizes. After increasing my unit size 4 times, I’d reset and split my bankroll in half and start over building my backup bankrolls. I’d do this frequently and create multiple bankrolls before eventually hitting $100 unit size. I could totally afford to go up now, but I feel very comfortable at around the $100 unit size level, it brings home a great payday every day and I’m able to take care of my friends and family and myself of course.
5)correct, if the table is flowing with tons of bankers, that’s not beneficial to me. I take this as an opportunity to mess around on my phone, talk to my friends, walk around and get my 10,000 steps in a day, etc. it’s very easy to get burned out on this as a daily job. Another reason I like waiting for virtual negative 20. Gives me plenty of time to clear my head and also is sort of celebratory between us when it finally does go negative 20 because we now have action and a goal.

 

Hey, I did see your email, just haven’t had time to really go through what you sent or reply yet. Thanks!

 

Hi, I play in Goa,occasionally been to Sri Lanka also, but now these days playing online on EVO, since 1 year to tell the truth NO ONE CAN WIN BIG ONLINE, but can lose a lot, There are many bugs in online, ex when internet is slow/buffering u make a big bet they accept losing bets & don't accept winning bets First I thought it was coincidence but it happens frequently, which makes it fishy , in short Online Casino Gambling is not for high rollers/serious betting it is just for fun to satisfy ur Craving, Online is full of flaw Sometimes when 2/3 seconds are left they don't accept winning but losing bets This happens a lot, it's my experience,

 

Jae, you mentioned your playing on stadium baccarat? What is the maximum limit on these stations? Thanks

 

If one is on say -7/3 and loses this 3 units bet, what is his next bet size?

 

It depends what casino you are playing, I play big bets and I never ever have problems with cancelled bets or other bug. Casino really threat me well, giving bonus with 1x wager each second week, also sending birthday presents like Bluetooth headphones or anything I want from special catalog. I also have personal acc manager and I can call him directly if I have any problems. Once happened that they cancelled my bet of 250GBP but after investigation they returned 2x as it was wining bet. Well, look, regarding internet you need to use strong connection to play! I have 2 wifi at home, one on batteries with sim card and one cable, if I lose electricity (never happened yet) then I still can complete my game on batteries.
Last thing if you really think online casino does something, try to use pragmatic games provider (most casinos have it) they take 6 cards out before you place a bet! So means they not switch cards in the deck, you can see all in front of you and they just open them! No possible that they cheat in any kind. Screen shot attached of table.

 

This is my answer to your 4th question how to use Oscar's grind, hope this will help:
https://www.roulette37.com/2020/04/30/oscars-grind-betting-system/

 

If you’re down 7 betting 3 and you lose, the next bet remains 3 no matter how many times in a row you lose, when you win it goes up 1 unit to 4.

max bet on the stadium I play at is $15,000. I’ve fortunately never had to make a max limit bet, but am prepared to do that and more if I have to.

 

Jae! Try to do stop bet after 3 loses in a row and restart with +1 unit to your last bet before virtual win (for example you bet -15 -15 -15 ..stop...virtual loss -VL -VL +virtual win bet 16 u next! ) Like this you will avoid long streaks of loses which in long term taking away chips!

 

Would these kinds of shoes be the nemesis?

 

Or this?

 

Not really, the first one stopped off at negative 99 betting 15. The second one stopped at -45 betting 5.

I’d just keep on playing out the grind into the next shoe until it recovered. I’d have over 1,900 units left to bet on both series.
I see conditions like this on a daily basis.

 

Thanks and appreciate your comments. This approach would need quite getting used to. Glad you have mastered it and made a good living out of it.

Reinforces the point to be made that Baccarat can be the best (not necessarily small) business. Stay blessed; you and yours.