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Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by BeJustRich, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. BeJustRich

    BeJustRich Active Member

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    B -44/25

    P -69/25

    B -44/26

    B -18/19 Here we are again, the bet drops because if we win the next outcome that will put us at +1

    As I am calculating with commission lost also so at this point I am negative -36.1 reason why I did not reduced.
     
  2. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    While that may be true in this example, it’s just not a good strategy. I’ll see 8 or 9 player IAR or more at least once a day.

    Grinds like the one just Erich experience I’ll see once or twice a week. I’ve always recovered, but at $100 units I would hit table max after 8 losses in a row with a Marty.
     
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  3. BeJustRich

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    I am very unlucky to get it first day of my try :)
    So you do Martingale after reaching 100 ?
    What about if to go just random and unlimited on P or B and reach sometimes quick 1000units :)
     
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  4. Jae

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    I would not alter OG to cover commission unless you are running a bankroll twice the size as the one I recommend. That would allow you to add a unit at any point to your bet and still have the necessary funds to back it up if you get into another serious grind. But I don’t recommend that either.

    you have to treat it like a marathon. After a big grind, yes, you might still be in the red a little bit after the series is complete. Just remember that you will finish more series in the green so you can make up for this with more time in the game, not by additional bets that your bankroll can’t cover.
    If you think of it as a business, justify the small commission losses with any analogy you want, advertising for instance. Just the cost of doing business. Play out OG the way it’s supposed to be with a sufficient bankroll and at the end of the day these minor inconveniences will become insignificant in the broader aspect.

    I think I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again: I recommend a team. Be it just one person that can help you. When you were heavy into your grind, you probably got a good feel of how overwhelming and fast paced it can get. Having someone help you alleviates sone stress and can also keep your emotions in check.

    the small mistake in the beginning of the shoe for example would have cost me an unnecessary 268 units. That might not seem like a huge deal to some people, but in my case that’s about $30,000 with commission give or take. To a $5.00 better, it’s about $1,500. The worst part is that difference affects your bankroll significantly in the recovery process.
    If I were to continue down the road with that mistake, in your example of being down over 600 units betting 60+ a hand, I would ideally need 10 banks in a row to recover. Whereas without the mistake I would need 7 IAR. That doesn’t seem like a big difference, but obtaining 7 wins in combination such as

    bbbbpbbbb

    is easier than the combination of 10 banks we’d need in the other example. When the shoes have an I’m a lance of 90 players vs. 50 banks, it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s a good time to exit, things are most likely about to turn around.

    mentally you should try and prepare yourself to face the day, get your emotions and game-plan in check. Understand that there will be big grinds and at the end you might be in the red, but the series is over and you’re prepared for the next series. Again, you’ll see more green than red if you have your sights set on the big picture.

    one thing I know about most players is that you can’t tell them what to do, so I’ll just insistently urge you to let this loss go. I know it’s big, but if you deviate from the plan and chase it with a modification, you’re gonna set yourself up for a potentially bigger loss.

    New day, new you.

    cheers!
     
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  5. Jae

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    I don’t martingale at all. I like actually taking money home.
     
  6. Jae

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    Hopefully you don’t bust anymore in the future, but if you do, I encourage you to continue tracking it until you see it recover. I’m sure that statement will be controversial to some, but it will help you see what you would have needed to complete the series. I’m personally interested in seeing results from anyone who has busted 2,000 units betting banker. This would help me possibly reevaluate what I am currently doing. If for example it busted 2,000 units but would have only required 2,400 to complete a series, I would modify my bankroll to 3,000 units. If it went somewhere deeper than 4,000 units I would most likely just stick to what I’m doing.
     
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    Don't you get telegram messages?
     

  8. BeJustRich

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    This is 100 real shoes (taken by me) bet player flat 1$
     

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    I wish to repeat your way, but need to know all how you see game, that to not make mistakes. At least now I know that on banker you do your calculation of comeback and ignoring 5% of commission, but I did actual result calculation and numbers got higher in negative side.
     
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    I propose an idea, wait for the first hand of shoe, and bet What came out with flat betting for the entire shoe, And so on with all the shoe, And maybe switch to two flat units for the second shoe if the first go in negative, (2 units up to +1 and go back to 1) or not finish the shoes but wait first hand and +1 change and wait for a new shoe. I hope I have explained myself well. I've never tried it because I'm focused on another bs. But maybe someone might care

     
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    What you are talking about is called TIER FLAT BETTING. This thread is about Oscar's Grind
     
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    I proposed flat betting but reading we talked about aiming only on one side so forget flat betting and read the bs to bet only on one side
     
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    Instead of choosing only banker or player by chance you can proceed waiting for the first hand and use Oscar Grind, that mm I said was to minimize losses in theory, but the fundamental thing was that bs that I wanted to say, since we talked about focusing on a single side, then the mm is up to those who read or want to do virtual tests
     
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    Oh well, had to put another retard on iggy, hey hey.
     

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    @Jae
    Hi jae quick qn.
    Assuming you reach the end of the shoe and are still in negative territory, do you wait for a -20 on the next before resuming? Or continue on the same table and play on from hand 1?

    Thanks
    Hams
     
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  16. Jae

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    I continue into the next shoe playing out the series until it is complete. This can take a couple shoes if the grind goes deep. Once it recovers and the series ends at 0 or +1, I wait forever -20 again.
     
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    Agreed
     
  18. Jimske

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    What about you replay that shoe and correct your mistakes. The drawdown was small.
     
  19. BeJustRich

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    https://we.tl/t-hS5cQqKFp9
    This is 200 real shoes uploaded as excel sheet just B and P
    everyone can test, if you want to see real shoe, ask me by telling number of row and I will send you it.
    So you can test it out if you would not lose 2000units bankroll.
    I may will do that later today.
     
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    All right guys, 200 real shoes tested, if someone need test results I can send.

    I did conditions like that:
    Always restart at +1 and no waiting for -20.

    So final answer is that if you go on Player you are in huge minus -502013u with highest bet of 4563 unit but during this play you will make 506 units only!
    Banker situation is better:

    Total made 1900 units with highest down of 3968 and highest bet of 277units.

    So to play on Banker I would recommend at least 5K in the pocket and play by 1$ and most important time and patience!
    So Jae is doing correct! He is on right side, Banker!

    I will do test now with virtual (not real shoes) 25,000 of them.
     
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