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Baccarat Playing (and Winning) Baccarat Over The Long Term

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by gr8player, May 18, 2021.

  1. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Just like the House losing a little to you everyday and take everything back in 1 day. It can also be the House taking bits by bits from you and gave you a big payday once in a while. If you can think like that you are ON YOUR WAY to win long term because you are REALISTIC with your approach and NOT thinking of breaking the HOUSE.
     
  2. Craps

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    It all comes down to how GOOD the B's are and how BAD the P's are. 2000 units is very very hard to lose and by the time it losses, the result would be a grind whether it is Jae or the House. The commission will make the difference. Math don't lie especially when it is DEDUCTIVE which is Logically true and Realistically true. If Jae is very selective about when to bet and stop, he can win. But going head to head with the House nonstop, very unlikely. Maybe in the short run.
     
  3. Myrtlejones

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    Short run long run it is all what is happening at the time, craps i have been through the worst of times and i have recovered but it takes something special to do this i agree with your awareness of hit and run, i know through neg and pos that there has to be a slow move to keep you in the game not a chase, systems that put you on the chase will break every gambler, every result that comes out of the shoe is not important when you learn to break a shoe down is when you will learn to win
     
  4. Myrtlejones

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    Jae is gambling at the highest level with this out of date non winning system, but maybe he is jumping bullets who knows all the power to him
     
  5. Craps

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    Glad you brought this up. Chase is not all bad because HALF of the situation that works for an individual player comes from chases. The other half is of course devastating. There is a balance of good or bad because the ODDS say so. When you get probability, you pay heavily for your losses. When you want a good payout, you lose probability. My philosophy is to unbalanced the situation by PLAYING WITHOUT ACTUALLY PLAYING hence the Hit & Run with lots of charting. The aim is to AVOID the loss and not winning unrealistically from the House. EVERY LOSING SESSION IS A PERFECT STORM.
    The other advantages is FORMING A WINNING HABIT which is a confidence maker. The HUMAN side of things is vastly eliminated which I can't stress enough. Winning without probability is perhaps something you have mastered but for me, I need probability hence the Chase. There is one big difference though. I can teach and relate my stuffs to everybody who believes in me BUT you can't teach what you said that is to break down a shoe and learn to win.
     
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  6. Myrtlejones

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    Craps my theory is all about structure, playing this game for so long i came to a solution, you must bet against or with some kind of pattern, i met my challenge and it took me many years to understand what it takes to beat a coin flip, how easy is a coin flip 50- 50 right, maybe not, a 50- 50 game can be beaten minus house % if you can balance or unbalance every single shoe, i have put on paper how every structure can be broken down, go to my post( i own it) big joke for some blooooooks but the real deal is there, now go see what i posted with the numbers not hard it is all math, you can break down a shoe to create miny results
     
  7. Craps

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    I have seen it and that is why I made that statement that your way is for you to know and for me to find out, Nobody can figure out PROPERLY what you posted. Hate to disagree but basically you are saying Baccarat can be exploited. When the day you stop playing and if you have ALL the records from the shoe you had encountered and played, I can tell tons of exploitation where certain situation are more than usual. You can actually redeemed yourself by explaining once again your approach in Layman's term. How to bet selection and the wagering process. I will help you with everything you are trying to explain. I am good at that. Just get your act together.
     

  8. Craps

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    I think you are a bit delusion about bet selection. What you encountered is NOT by any means COMPLETE. You based your findings on things that are NOT balanced and call that an exploitation. The future is again 50/50 with your approach. Anyway kudos to you because you took the trouble to come out with something especially it is working for you. Anyway I would certainly interested in your HOW TO and maybe it works for me too.!
     
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  9. Myrtlejones

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    No man i am the real deal small gains every single day, i would challenge anyone to compete against me 30 days and do what i do, if you were as smart as you state then apply my numbers to my structures and see results if you are smart enough to see
     
  10. Jae

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    Where do you live? I think about your public challenge to me all the time. I’d love to have you out in Connecticut and see to your challenge in person.

    I’ve even spent some time thinking of how to make it more interesting. If you come to Connecticut, I’ll rent an Airbnb for you, or hotel casino, your preference for 30 days. From that point we can play in the real casino everyday for your 30 days. You bring $10,000 and I’ll bring $100,000 and we’ll agree upon a 3rd party to hold out funds in an escrow account. We’ll work out more details later if this entices you. But essentially, if your method outperforms me for 30 days, then my hundred grand is yours, you’ll have made some good money for 30 days of work. And if im privy to a method that outperforms my own, oh I’d gladly have paid 100k for it. Email me if youre serious and we’ll set it up. I’m a nice guy, a couple people on the board have met me in person.
     
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    Bbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh none of these retard loser on here gonna take you up on any challenge, hey hey.
     
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  12. Jae

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    I know right. But he challenged me first, so all one can do is hope he’d follow through. I’ve even enticed the deal with 100k vs. 10k. Ant said nice I can’t understand the gibberish and n his method’s explanation, I’d love to see it in action.
     
  13. Punkcity

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    That’s a big NO.
    It will work for him as he has the structures in place.

    You it will never work for, as you have constantly posted you cannot do anything that requires any self restraint, discipline, etc. Not meaning to be nasty to you craps by that statement, just reiterating your reasons WHY you fail and why you believe everyone else is lying.

    Save yourself the trouble, save us from reading it over and over again. Just call it as it is in your human nature as UNDOABLE, no biggie. I’m moving on from your posts, in this subject. I do look forward to other posts from you as you are interesting but a lame duck this subject. I will just skim read your posts until something interesting is posted by yourself. I look forward to that. Cheers

    Once again no disrespect intended. Cheers
     
  14. Myrtlejones

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    Jae i would have to swim across the Niagara river, i am in NIagara Falls, borders have been closed for over a year now, that sounds like a interesting offer, i never said my way of play would out do your system what i did say is i will put it up against any other system, my goals are to grind out 10 to 20 units every day, my bank roll is never in harms way i play for a pay check,to me it sounds like when your hitting on all cylinders you are making large chunks of cash but when the chase is on it could take long peroids of time to get back to the norm, now online i will play against anyone to prove my point my way of doing things, i retired at 48 years old to play BAC for a pay check and have been doing so for the last 13 years
     

  15. Craps

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    You it will never work for, as you have constantly posted you cannot do anything that requires any self restraint, discipline, etc. Not meaning to be nasty to you craps by that statement, just reiterating your reasons WHY you fail and why you believe everyone else is lying.

    The BIG BIG difference between my postings and MOST of the postings on this board is one word REASONING. If there is a discussable reasoning, I would gladly acknowledge and appreciate. But so far many are saying I just win. My nethod tells me if this happens, that will happen. They just stop short of saying I can do a reverse Martingale. You are not dumb enough to belief bet selection can be mastered. Do you?
     
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  16. Punkcity

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    Good post

    Whatever you think about , how you select when to bet after x amount of virtual bets, triggers, whatever % use to validate whatever concept you, craps, have posted about on numerous threads and there a many different ways you have posted to determine when and where your first bet will be. You have given yourself 5 opportunities to jag a winner, or 3 x 4 opportunities as per a post (12 step Marty) now this is after a presumed virtual bet of any thing from 1-5 ( or more) virtual bets after you have identified a trigger, then you start to Marty to obtain your win.
    Sorry to say but that seems like bet selection to me. You like everyone else here , soxfan,Jae, myrtle, Nathan etc etc have a preferred requirement of events that dictate when , where , what you bet on . That is not saying everyone is correct or 100% able to achieve a win but whatever it is that led them to place the bet, is bet selection, as simple as bet only banker , always, only after 5 players, immediately upon sitting down at a table, only when the 7 th column is fulfilled etc. If they get it in one bet , 2 bets or in 5 bets as per your Marty preference is not the point.
    They all practice bet selection as you do.

    You have to have a selection criteria before you start your 5 step Marty. Your success as per your posts suggested you achieve 8 units a session/day. Therefore you must be adequately selecting the right bet placement, unless your lying of course, therefore you are saying you are the only one that has a reasonable chance , 1 to 5 chances to win , whereas everyone else using whatever method they subscribe to is wrong.
    I believe
    Myrtle
    Soxfan
    Nathan
    Gizmotron
    Jimske
    Mako
    Sputnik
    Junket king
    Jae
    Etc
    Have an ability to bet the way they do because they are being successful at bet selection, timing, m m , luck, discipline, grinding, profit taking, loss limiting , structural methods that’s applicable to themselves.
    Not one of the above mentioned criteria’s is a stand alone winning holy grail, repeatedly across the forum they all mentioned a combination of three or more of the criteria to achieve the required results that they individually use. Ultimately one has something that dictate where the bet placement is.
    Bet selection. Bet selection mastered as best they can. Similar to you allowing yourself 1 to 5 shots at a win. Bet selection. Cheers
     
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  17. Craps

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    Like a say, I always have reasons for my action. No body can master bet selection but we have to make a selection anyway. So, instead of busting my head over studying bet selection which I had done and failed, I resort to probability. That's why I use Martingale so that I will have numerous chance of getting it right. All I have to do is that care of that loss. I experimented with a few progressions but none suits me better than the 5 step Martingale. The bet selection part is with a little Math based on LOA in case it happens. I attributed my success not on bet selection but on probability and Hit & Run.
     
  18. Craps

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    Bet selection is all Fallacies but it is by no means bad. To say you have probability on Bet Selection is a joke. To say you are LUCKY with the way you go about bet selection is acceptable. Similarly with LY philosophy of timing when to bet high or low. It's still fallacy of believing in trends. You win because of trends and you lose because of trends. Therefore there is no probability. Betting on B only does have a miniscule probability but like Martingale you have to accept a smaller payout ratio.People need to think about odds.
     
  19. tommac147

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    martingale is kindergarten stuff like learning the alphabet before you can read
     
  20. Punkcity

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