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Roulette Proof of Turbo's Fallacy

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Ka2, Oct 31, 2021.

  1. Gigi666

    Gigi666 Active Member

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    Well something is always due isn't it? Turbo gave clear example, numbers that are below expected eventually "catch up", how long it takes does not matter, if you're not greedy you'll get a profit each time. Just try it.
     
  2. TurboGenius

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    So I ran off 370 spins to get a good sample.

    First I'll bet the 3 coldest numbers expecting them to catch up and in the process make a profit.
    Flat betting of course. These numbers combined only appeared 11x out of 30x and are the coldest.

    In the next cycle of 370 spins, they appeared 32 times. 2 better than expected.
    In the next cycle of 370 spins, they appeared 32 more times. 4 total better than expected.

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    Second I'll bet the 3 hottest numbers expecting them to keep being hot and in the process make a profit.
    (no, I don't think this is going to happen)
    Flat betting of course. These numbers combined appeared 50x out of 30x expected and are the hottest.

    In the next cycle of 370 spins, they appeared 30 times. No better than expected with a huge loss in the middle.
    In the next cycle of 370 spins, they appeared 26 more times. 4 total worse than expected.

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    Clearly a difference.

    Oddly enough, the numbers behind caught up or were working towards it.
    Oddly enough, the hottest numbers slowed down to get back to average.
    Who would have guessed ? lol
     
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  3. trans4712

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    It actually does matter because you pay for the waiting (putting chips on the table). The longer you wait the more it costs. If you play one number (which is clearly due) with one unit and it takes 38 spins to appear - how much did you gain???
     
  4. gizmotron

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    There is no baseline average in short term like 300 spins. You can't stay at a casino and play for 475 hours. I actually stayed and played for 27 hours through 4 shift changes. They said "are you still here?" That was amazing. Let me say it more accurately. Numbers that are below expectation will change to above expectation at some point, and visa versa.
     
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    Data begins at the moment it starts being collected by the player.
    This way no rules of the gambling Gods are broken. Past spins don't matter, remember ? lol.
    It's like quantum mechanics - when something isn't being observed it acts differently than when
    an observer looks at it. J/k sort of.
    Data has a beginning when you start charting it - what happened before can't be considered.
    If that were the case all data back to the first roulette spin ever witnessed would have to be
    taken into account and that's impossible. So for an individual player, a string of data begins
    when they begin taking the data.
     
  6. TurboGenius

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    I promise you that during that time, the display of "coldest numbers" changed and some, if not most of them were later
    on the "hottest numbers" display. But I'm told you can't win with this knowledge - as if the cold numbers never went to
    the hot column and no one could win using that info. That's what I'm told.
     
  7. gizmotron

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    All Turbo is showing you is that in 370 spin cycles things tend to change. It does not mean that it will always change to what you want but it will change most of the time. These are large numbers. If you want to win, and I don't know why anyone would want to do that, you must get good at smaller sequences. Try to get good at 37 at a time.
     

  8. gizmotron

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    Party pooper. You used logic. That kills off those that say you can't know what a win streak looks like.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That was way back before I ever saw that first Elegant Pattern in 1993. I had no idea about hottest numbers back then. No doubt that many changes occurred. I was just flying by the seat of my pants with a $300 bankroll that I let the casino wipe me out of at the end. The dealer came and pushed me to rush.
     
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    So why have I appeared to have changed my mind on hot numbers? I never decided to use Reading Randomness on just one number bet at a time before. My earlier research started with the hottest 3 numbers in 300 spins. I wrote my first sims for that. I made my first graphs for that. I don't see how I can lose. Not all sessions will result in a loss. I could use a combination of the Marti and flat betting for instance.

    Let's say that I play 300 spins and only get 7 wins, 2 below break even. I started out in that first session at $5 per bet, the table minimum. So the next session a few days later I use $10 bets and I get 12 wins out of 300 spins. I just recovered and went ahead. That would work because it is highly unlikely using Reading Randomness to lose a bunch of sessions in a row.
     
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    I already know what is going to happen. That sequence of death will hit the Marti. But just like all Reading Randomness results I will win twice as much as I lose, even betting only one number at a time for each spin flat bets only.

    If Turbo can't win consistently flat betting some configuration of hottest numbers in the long run then he is doing something wrong. I don't care what he is keeping a secret, even if he uses math for a trigger. Who needs it?
     
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  12. Gigi666

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    All gambling has a cost so what that it did not hit in 38 spins?
    Plus whats the point of playing 1 number? Nobody also tells you have to bet sleepers, you can wait for them to show, you can do it many ways try before posting that does not add any value .
     
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    How long does it take for 1, 2, n numbers to catch up (or to repeat if you like this better)? As I said further up - if you know that you have a winning system. Because each spin will cost you. And if your waiting time ( = spins x units) is higher than your eventual win you lose.
    But maybe you know how to wait without paying or at least with minimum stakes. If so - congratulations, you did it.
     
  14. Ka2

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    It has everything to do with what your posted. 74 is the average of the spins count of the average of 14 numbers (sleepers) from step 1.

    14 sleepers

    nr 1 is at 57
    nr 2 is at 112
    nr 3 is at 39
    etc etc

    combined the average is ALWAYS 74. So we start from that base line and start playing. (WITHOUT watching spins from the past) And there is absolutely not a single difference from your data graph. You get the same stretches the shorts the max and min values.

    But have it your way:

    Same test:

    Starting with 14 numbers picked randomly from a data set with only "sleepers"

    2021-10-31 (2).png

    Bam same show as yours. Meaning you could write down spins from wiesbaden or what have you. Even random numbers from an EXCEL sheet will work!!! write down the numbers that were "sleeping" until the first hit. Go to your local casino and start playing STRAIGHT FROM THE START with these numbers and you get the same results!!!

    Now somehow these magically numbers you wrote down gave you an edge???????
     

  15. gizmotron

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    If you gamble at Roulette then you know when a number gets hot for a while. You get short bursts of 4 or 5 hits all close together. All you have to do is target the swarming hot number. There's a method to that. I've kept it a secret for 20 years. You won't find it in any of my past writings. Not even at Gambler's Glen.
     
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    Thats not to hard to figure out isn't...
     
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    Okay Turbo so you tested hot numbers and there is no advantage.
    No offence but surely that means your 'hot number from each dozen' idea won't work?
     
  18. GaryG

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    @daveylibra it's about numbers becoming hot. Not hot numbers...
     
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  19. gizmotron

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    Or it's about a hot number continuing to be hot. The entire point for Reading Randomness is finding anything that continues to be in an advantage condition.
     
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  20. TurboGenius

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    What they said.
    Those hot numbers do change to other numbers, if you picked a hot number and stayed on it just
    assuming it's going to stay that way - the chart shows what happens.
    The number becoming hot is how it works. Once it's done and heads back to "average" we aren't playing
    on it anymore. Just like the cold numbers as they return to "average" are being played on.
    I showed how the chart climbs even though it was flat betting and the numbers I played were
    all considered cold in the overall set of spin data.
     

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