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TurboGenius Gambler's Fallacy (absurd ?) Proof.

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 29, 2021.

  1. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Dozen and quad are simple ways one person can play but can have losing sessions. More winning sessions than losing sessions. So in your testing check what's the optimal drawdown to take a loss for the session. This optimal drawdown is your session bankroll.

    For smaller drawdown, have to compensate outside bet(dozen or quad) with inside numbers. So require more detail tracking and more placement of inside number bets. Playable with a partner each doing their respective job. Since the "jobs" are split, it's easy to play with the benefit of small drawdown.

    Another advantage is since the strategy is split the casino surveillance finds it harder to catch this strategy - one player taking the loss the partner raking the wins. The wins look like lucky bets.

    So what choice depends on your situation.
     
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  2. trans4712

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    Admittedtly a rather clever way to play (I wish I could create such a system) but purely mechanical w/o any advantage due to hot, cold or other numbers. There is a sequence of hell starting at spin 160 which would have lead to a total loss if it happened earlier. So no HG, just a smart system which will fail every now and then. This should put the discussion to bed.
     
  3. Benas

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    Look, I met maybe 15 such who claimed, that can win easily and on every wheel ... How you think how many of them won when we played the same wheel ?
    Won maybe 2, maybe 3 - all others lost to one gates. And theese who won - won because progression, so that was case... in another case they will lost...
     
  4. Denzie

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    Depends what you understand under a "HG" ...
    For me, if it wins (much) more than it loses...yep thats a roulette HG ...

    For others it might be to win each spin ? Each session ? ...
     
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  5. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    LOL. I thought I had tested every way possible to beat roulette but I know I haven't tested that method yet.
    Maybe this weekend lol.
    By Sunday night I'll be posting some of the craziest things you've ever seen lol
     
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    Lol
    If you check the time stamps after each post turbo genius has made this thread you may notice the naysayers have all replied within the 1:2hour to 1 hr max.
    Yet check the time stamps of page 8 , re the 6 number street sim . Nothing from the naysayers. They Must be busy thumbing through the book of reasons looking to see how the math god can refute the post.
    Lol.

    Look there is a place for mathematics, so many things on this planet are reliant upon math and I’m truly great full , I enjoy being alive after boarding a plane , a train or crossing that bridge, I’m truly thankful for the expertise.
    But like driving down the freeway everyone gets to their destinations by staying in their own lane, you just don’t need the math rage like road rage is uncalled for.
    Lol
    Thanks turbo. Cheers
     
  7. DutchCrown

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    Question guys,
    Does any of you have a tracker (can track last 37 or 74 spins) for android that i can use? saves alot of time tracking all spins. Thnx in advance.
    Ps: the Ayk v8 tracker that was posted last week doesn't work on android.
     
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  8. Luckyfella

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    Try this link, replace "nolink" with "http"

    nolink://ayktracker.evenbetstrategy.com/
     
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  9. DutchCrown

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    Thanks alot, it works!
    Hope this one stays online though.
     
  10. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    They believe one thing. That there is no way to win aside from bias wheels (rare as a unicorn), Dealer signature (not too reliable and easy to defeat), Hidden computers (not allowed in a casino). Etc.
    They firmly believe no system can work.
    If they could get beyond that, they could win too.
    Any wheel in any casino without the trickery. But that also means admitting they were wrong. (Not likely).
    It is what it is.
     
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  11. gizmotron

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    Nice example of winning:

    https://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/6f80ebf69e62eda74134550461a05d48

    Caught the name too, 'GizmoDemo.' That was an interesting touch. It's interesting. You can turn it on like a video and just watch it.
     
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  12. Gigi666

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    It does not really prove anything. It's not playing cold neither hottest as you remove numbers in the end those removed can become hot while you might wait very long time for line/dozen to complete.
    Nothing to do with your @TurboGenius previous examples of playing cold numbers until most get back to expected.
     
  13. precogm

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    lol this is hilarious, so the holy grail is basically any system that plays cold and hot numbers?

    Casinos must really be the biggest fools in the world if they allow roulette to be played, when a simple repeater/sleeper method can bankrupt them.

    Gambler's fallacy
    Hindsight bias
    Apophenia
    Confirmation bias

    All of these come to mind.
     
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  14. Luckyfella

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    Whether they admit wrong or not they're wrong.

    Trolling on forums does not mean they don't want to win easy. Never know what they actually do in real life.
     

  15. trans4712

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    For me a HG is a system that wins every session with a reasonable drawdown. The latter is hard to quantify but as a ballpoint I'd say 10 times the targeted win. So if I shoot for 100 units I'd consider a max DD of 1000 -1500 as resonable. A light version would be losing less than winning with some sort of working exit rule. NOT a stop loss!!! But this is just me...
    Remember drtalos? Seems nobody could solve the Bertrand riddle but he said a lot of smart things, amongst others that there is no such thing as a working bet selection. The negative expectation will ALWAYS catch up no matter what. And he said that the only thing that works is a smart progression - he called it a playable martingale. And hey - that is exactly what TG is doing. Chapeau for that.

    Gizmo's Vodoo can be debunked with two rows in an Excel sheet and the wobbly wheel disciples will die out anyways - soon there won't be wheels anymore, just RNGs which look like wheels.
     
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  16. TurboGenius

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    Not at all.
    It's about using cold numbers to make a profit - and about using hot numbers to make a profit.
    You can attack from both sides.
    What you can't do and is impossible - is to win on numbers that are not hold or cold but appearing right
    as expected.
    This is the only time Sir NoOne is right - the payout is 35 to 1 and your number is appearing 1 in 37.
    But wander to either side of this and you can win on hot numbers, you can win on cold numbers.
    Interestingly enough - as spins go by, less and less numbers appear exactly as they are expected to.
    You can chart this and see. A few cycles in and you will have hot numbers, cold numbers - and maybe
    2 numbers that are appearing exactly as expected. At some point you could have none other than
    hot and cold numbers.
     
  17. Klausy

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    Well, when he had a 1 million balance on RSim, it was public so everyone could take a look how he got there. Just saying…
     
  18. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    For the record - the basic idea of how to do this was from my site 15 years ago *ha. go figure*
    At that time I added to the winner and removed 1 bet. Now I keep adding to the winner(s)
    Also I would add numbers back into the mix if they appeared and don't do that now.
    Other than that it's the same thing. It was strange that the page I posted it on didn't get much
    interest on the forums... It's a great way to target hot numbers and remove potential cold numbers.
    But anyway - that is a brief history on where it came from and why I picked it for the demo.
    Cheers.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120926052434/http://www.freewebs.com/turbogenius/christmassystem.htm
     
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  19. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Indeed. But it's gone now. *poof*
    No one could have figured out how it was done either because it's "precognition".
    To anyone watching it would just be magical to watch it happen. Turns out it was pure luck
    and that luck ran out since it was never based on anything legitimate as far as a working method
    goes.
     
  20. Klausy

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    I doubt he feels the need to prove anything but it’s up to him to say. All I’m saying is that when he talked the talk, he walked the walk. It was transparent for people to make their own minds up.
     

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