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Baccarat The Final Solution

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. panatha

    panatha Member

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    I Have develop a MM only for even chances and for baccarat or even better for craps
    my method can fight very difficult sequences close to sequences of hell
    of course not HG but very inovative
    it has 5 basic rules 2 of them very strong
    i am thinking to post my MM here at SPUTNIK thread and not open a new thread
    as mine contribution to Sputnik hard work
    I have translated in excellend english language with a lot of examples
    and explanations spin by spin all my bets
    I Wonder if someone after reading understanding and like my MM COULD BE POSSIBLE
    SHARE WITH ME JIMSKE VERSION ABOUT SPUTNIK METHOD
    I THINK JIMSKE VERSION ITS ALL I NEED
    About sputnik march i have understand all
    BUT THE FINAL SOLUTTION THREAD I CANT UNDERSTAND ALL
    CHEERS
     
  2. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Good luck , hopefully someone can help you out when you post. I’m sure jimske will help you out if it’s not a proper tertiary matter.
    You may find it more useful to start your own thread as not to detract from the Sputnik hard work he’s put into this thread. You can link and direct readers to this thread if needed but this way Sputnik thread remains for the purpose he intended. Good luck and I look forward to reading your post. /thread. Cheers
     
  3. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So PM and we can talk more about this.
     
  4. Mako

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    Can't go wrong following Patrick's work, one of the best minds in our "hobby".
     
  5. cps10

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    Looking forward to it. Please post a link to the new thread here so we can access it.
     
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  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Thanks for the nice words mention me.
    I getting closer and closer to the ultimate variant where you just follow the flow with no interruption.

    AsymBacGuy has a similar selection that I come up with based upon my March.
    Hes way is to wait for a series of three or higher.
    Then if you next get a single or a series of two you bet that one of them will repeat.
    This gives you a W LW LW W LL W LL W LL LW W LW W

    My way bet that one out of the two presents will repeat.
    And it also starts after a series of two or three and higher.


    222 W
    223 W
    221 W
    232 LW
    231 LL
    233 W
    211 W
    212 LW
    213 LL


    333 W
    332 W
    331 W
    323 LW
    321 LL
    322 LW
    311 W
    313 LW
    312 LL

    Another one that I also work on is narrowing down the strings to only two attempts.


    222 W
    223 W
    221 W
    232 W
    231 W
    233 W
    211 LL
    212 LW
    213 LW


    333 W
    332 W
    331 W
    323 W
    321 W
    322 W
    311 LL
    313 LW
    312 LW

    Give an update when the complexity comes more clear after some testing.

    Cheers
     
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  7. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    Patrik - you are waiting for a series to play out, then bet for another series twice. And then if that loses, wait for another series? That’s similar to how I play.

    BBBPBP - this would be a losing series. You have your 3 B then L after P and loss after B. You would then wait until another series is started, which could be a second P in the next hand and then wait for a B to show in order to bet B for your next bet.

    BBBPBBPPPBPPP is a LWWLW. Betting on P was a loss in hand 5. Betting on B in hand 6 is a win. Betting on P in hand 8 is a win. Betting on B in hand 11 is a loss. Betting on P in hand 12 is a win.
     
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  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Let's look at the last sample and example with groups of LL
    You have two out of three winning the second bet if a series is not followed by another serie.

    BB P B P
    BB P BBB
    BB P BB

    LL
    LW
    LW

    Is not matter if you get a series of two or three and above - still one single bet.
    That reduce the three losing attempts into two attempts.

    I tackle the variance in the short term and still testing.

    Cheers
     
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  9. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    Yes indeed! I do very much enjoy shortening the losing sequence!
     
  10. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    One thing that I will test is to avoid the black swan or sequence from hell.
    Let's say we have 16 versus 2 combinations where 2 stand for the LL sequence.

    Then I am thinking zig-zag where we would hold and not bet when a losing sequence appears and strikes with no end.
    This way we would not be a victim of several losses in a row.
    And only bet after a fictive win where we would have a bet favouring us with 16 versus 2 for each attack.

    Current testing groups of three.

    I Will post some stats.

    Cheers
     
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  11. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I am so happy that I got the big drawdown when collecting stats to explain the LW-Registry and how to tackle loses when they chop.
    First, we see nice winning to chop in our favour and then comes the black swan.

    332 W
    222 W
    213 LW
    221 W
    322 W
    212 LW
    231 W
    331 W
    231 W
    311 LL
    212 LW
    312 LW
    311 LL
    333 W
    323 W
    212 LW
    213 LW
    212 LW
    321 W
    221 W
    323 W
    332 W
    311 LL <<< LL
    211 LL
    211 LL
    311 LL
    211 LL
    211 LL
    323 W
    211 LL
    311 LL <<< LL
    231 W
    212 LW <<< LW
    223 W
    331 W
    212 LW
    311 LL
    313 LW
    231 W
    332 W
    212 LW
    232 W
    321 W
    331 W
    221 W

    The result becomes - LL LL LW - using the zig-zag strategy to handle long sequences from HELL (The Black Swan)
    The size of the losing chops would be almost a whole shoe.

    Cheers
     
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  12. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Correction:
    Made a typo error above - the second reducing bet LL should be after the first win.

    Cheers
     
  13. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The zig-zag solution creates losses in the other direction - need to determine if to skip or tweak.
    I will collect more stats to see what is common distribution


    WWWWWLWLWWLLLLWLLWLWLLLLWWWWWLLLLLLWLWWLWWLWLWLWLLW


    221 W
    223 W
    223 W
    321 W
    331 W
    313 LW
    212 LW
    223 W
    311 LL
    211 Hold Bet
    231 Fictive Win
    311 LL
    231 Fictive Win
    233 W
    311 LL
    212 Fictive Win
    332 W
    312 LW
    211 LL
    233 Fictive Win
    211 LL
    311 Hold Bet
    312 Fictive WIn
    232 W
    331 W
    233 W
    232 W
    221 W
    211 LL
    211 Hold Bet
    231 Fictive Win
    211 LL
    322 Fictive Win
    211 LL
    232 Fictive Win
    323 W
    212 LW
    233 W
    212 LW
    231 W
    322 W
    212 LW
    212 LW
    313 LW
    222 W
    211 LL
    221 Fictive Win
    332 W
     
  14. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes @cps10 . Shortening the losing sequence is the if you cannot win more hands than you lose and overcome the commission at the same time.

    I don't know that the March does this for doesn't do it. Maybe someone has running up numbers to determine that. What I have found through some limited data is there a JK 7 column method reduces 5 LIAR. But that's another thread. I'll make some comments on this one next.
     

  15. cps10

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    @Jimske shortening to below 5LIAR would be ideal. That would make my series betting MM almost foolproof. UNLESS you have multiple losing streaks in a row. Then you just have to cut bait.

    @Sputnik my betting series would win 14 units there less commissions. Even a zig zag like that can still win.
     
  16. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I have played around with Sputnik March before on paper and live.

    I don't play patterns like a lot of guys do but when playing March it's obvious that your real friends are shoes that have a lot of repeats with few singletons.

    Shoes with a lot of singletons can be difficult if not real trouble. Here's one: 3121212111. You play that out I think you'll see you get 5 losses in a row. So in shoes that don't change their stripes one could be in real trouble. Fortunately most shoes to change.

    So you really need a staking plan for betting to recoup. And I guess you got to notice what kind of signatures give you trouble. Here's one right in front of me as an example. L W LLLL W L W LLL W.
     

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  17. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This Thread is about Sputnik mechanical March.

    Go ahead and post your bet selection on another thread.
     
  18. cps10

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    That looks brutal. I do use a series betting method to help offset shoes like that. And you are right. They are usually the exception not the rule for those singletons
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The Bias

    Here are variant one - pretty solid results - I considering playing this one next weekend at my local casino.
    Over 6 shoes and the biggest drawdown two losses :)


    332 W
    222 W
    213 LL
    221 W
    322 LW
    212 LW
    231 LL
    331 W
    231 LL
    311 W
    212 LW
    312 LL
    311 W
    333 W
    323 LW
    212 LW
    213 LL
    212 LW
    321 LL
    221 W
    323 LW
    332 W
    311 W
    211 W
    211 W
    311 W
    211 W
    211 W
    323 LW
    211 W
    311 W
    231 LL
    212 LW
    223 W
    331 W
    212 LW
    311 W
    313 LW
    231 LL
    332 W
    212 LW
    232 LW
    321 LL
    331 W
    221 W
    221 W
    223 W
    223 W
    321 LL
    331 W
    313 LW
    212 LW
    223 W
    311 W
    211 W
    231 LL
    311 W
    231 LL
    233 LW
    311 W
    212 LW
    332 W
    312 LL
    211 W
    233 LW
    211 W
    311 W
    312 LL
    232 LW
    331 W
    233 LW
    232 LW
    221 W
    211 W
    211 W
    231 LL
    211 W
    322 LW
    211 W
    232 LW
    323 LW
    212 LW
    233 W
    212 LW
    231 LL
    322 LW
    212 LW
    212 LW
    313 LW
    222 W
    211 W
    221 W
    332 W

    Here is variant one

    222 W
    223 W
    221 W
    232 LW
    231 LL
    233 W
    211 W
    212 LW
    213 LL


    333 W
    332 W
    331 W
    323 LW
    321 LL
    322 LW
    311 W
    313 LW
    312 LL
     
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  20. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Above was lucky variance - will post more stats tomorrow.

    Cheers
     

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