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TurboGenius When does it lose ?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. Ka2

    Ka2 Active Member

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    To be fair. In the other forum where turbo show his chart from rf. He had 55 RESETS! Why on earth does a winning system need a reset???
     
  2. Gigi666

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    Looking forward to seeing your session. I am assuming you are tracking via RX and resetting your RX tracking either every new high or when the "catching up" plays out to a certain level, as waiting for all numbers to catch up can take very long time.
     
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  3. thereddiamanthe

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    Coz you might have been testing totally different approaches, systems, even variations of'em as a way of refinement & final optimization.

    Then a reset, so that the cumulative session graph does not interfere with other approaches & stays true to itself.

    Simple logic innit.

    Observing Turbo's behaviour of reinventing himself all along .. I'd speculate that's it.



    Funny enough, just because of such an argument I began creating new accounts for each of my new/improved approaches.

    & guess what, funnily enough, came with a counter-argument against such a type of behaviour as well -- he must be curve-fitting the results defaulting to a new account for each session lost & posting the infallible one ..



    The point is, if you really want .. you'll have some aspect to pin-point to realize your doubt.
     
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  4. Luckyfella

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    People are looking for handouts.
    That's all they care about.

    Who cares about charts.
    No handout you get jeered.

    TurboGenius wrote he will reveal.
    Jeering works.
    There'll be more jeering after this.

    If they can make money from it he get the cheers.

    If they can't make money from it the jeers get louder.

    Does it make sense any more?

    Joining Raf take a back seat.

    After TurboG and TwoUp I don't think there's anyone of this calibre posting on forums.
     
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  5. Luckyfella

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    Set rsim to public, its ok with a million resets.
    The charts transform from terrible to beautiful.
     
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  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Great post...but Twoup can't comprehend it. It's the "bridge too far" scenario...the logic problem they can't past.
     
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  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    If they could grasp a little basic probability they'd realize that they can't side step probability in order to exploit what they think is "due" to hit. Confusing the probability of a series (that has already happened) with the probability of winning the next spin is their blunder.

    They're also missing the other side of the equation...the house payoff, which is always short of the true odds.
     
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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    You toO can climb to the top of the leaderboard with 55 resets!
     
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  9. precogm

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    What is your name on Rsim?
     
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  10. TwoUp

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    You can't even add up 8 numbers. I posted the truth table of flipping 3 coins.

    I proved MJs post to be complete nonsense.

    Go ahead, how many lines have EXACTLY 1 head. There are 3 lines out of 8. So the probability is 3/8. How many have at AT LEAST 1 head, there are 7 so the probability is 7/8.

    Last time I looked 7/8 is a bigger number than 3/8. To make it plainer, there are 7 sessions where you see at least 1 head and only 3 where you see exactly 1 head.

    And both you and MJ argue against this because you can't do basic math.

    Then MJ claims the probabilities are mutually exclusive, exactly his words. Again I show they are not, there are 7/8 lines that have at least 1 head, and there are 7/8 lines that have at least one tail. Both probabilities are valid and not mutually exclusive, the truth table shows this clearly to EVERYONE.

    You both have no clue with probability and math and it's plain as day.
     
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  11. TurboGenius

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    I guess I can waste some time replying to some of the usual nonsense.

    Nonsense. Let me explain it for you - I don't know why, it won't matter.
    I started a few accounts there a long time ago. When someone emails me their ideas I test it and show the results.
    I reset often - I did then and I still do. Most of my resets where while the balance was well above profit.
    But you assume a reset = a loss. You assume a lot obviously and don't realize how things work.
    I ran the TurboGenius account to first with no resets - this wasn't good enough.
    I told everyone that I did a reset and when I posted again I got to hear "You reset because you lost"
    If there's no resets then I'm wrong and if there are 55 I am wrong.... so I stopped caring what trolls
    like you say. Your opinion sways no one with a brain.
    The one I used for this thread has 8 resets. Wow. They are all but one in the positive.
    I posted another account for Gizmo with 0 resets and you didn't say shit about that of course.
    So this one with 8 I'm sure will give you some relief that you can't possibly be wrong.
    That's why I posted the screen shots from the start, so you can clearly see I never reset.....but
    it doesn't matter at all. The trolling goes on as you wait for how it's done - while pretending you don't
    care and it's all foolish nonsense.

    I wish that I did use RX to follow along, but I didn't. I'm interested in what the house expected balance is by now,
    but there's no way to know that because the total amount bet isn't available. I'm not betting for anything to catch up -
    just for what I expect to happen based on past spins and I don't change the bet at all until the number(s) win.
    Each session is about 150 spins give or take with primarily 4 numbers being bet on, then it resets to the next session.
    So tracking is too simple. I use $1.00 chips to track on the table and then use the main bets on numbers that
    I "predict" are going to show using nothing but the "fallacy".

    And here we are. 3,130 spins in now and +$19,278.00 flat betting. Since you are convinced it has to lose - how about
    $1.00 per $1.00 for every $1.00 I climb from this point on ? Ha. Imagine that, backing up what you believe like
    I do. If I lose and you know I'll lose, you get 19k. If I win you match $ for $ the amount until I stop. lol
    I made myself laugh. Every time you say "not enough" spins, I just would win more until you give up.
     
  12. Nathan Detroit

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    Mathopians are losers because of their closed mind.
     
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  13. Gigi666

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    You mention in first post you are playing numbers catching up, hence my assumptions about RX being used ;), anyway looking forward to more details and seeing that session, I am surprised it did not time you out yet.
     
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  14. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    3.500 spins now. Ugh lol
    +$22,647.00
    Damn if he took the bet I would already have 3k to donate to a charity.
    When will it lose ?
    I'll stop at 4k spins, no sense in keeping this going forever.
    $5.55 per spin profit still.......the house edge monster not in sight.


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  15. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    55 resets! Bago did it better. LoL!!
     
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    You finally made a sensible comment.

    However, about your comment yes and no.

    SirAnyone, MJ and Benas are citing statistical significance math and basic probability mostly.

    For predicting roulette outcomes there's the body of predictive statistics together with derivative and integral calculus.

    You have to have a reason why the pockets hit higher than odds. This reason is found in physics. Math does the counting.
     
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    They are told by probability experts that the house will make 2% to 5%+ off their table games because probability says it will. Every gambling book on gambling addiction and treating it includes the same lie. It is no wonder that their minds are what they are. I exposed that lie about two years ago and all we get from the mathBoyz, mathNazis, and mathZombies is total silence. The probability narcissists will fall last but this mows down the rest:

    Remember when I got hold of yearly earnings reports from publicly traded corporations running casinos? They must by law tell the truth or thy get the SEC and the IRS crawling up their asses. Every year they make from 14% to 22% off their table games. The math based 5% prediction is a lie. The casinos make way more, and I'm sure that is after the comps are taken out also.
     
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  18. Luckyfella

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    Where's the proof you ask.

    Ignoring evidence right in front of you.

    Why don't you calculate the statistical significance of Turbo's current 4000spins betting session?
     
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  19. SPIKE

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    I know how probability works and I know you can beat it by paying attention to the past outcomes and making an educated guess as to what the next outcome will be and be right more often than you're wrong. Way more often. All it takes is time and effort to learn but gamblers are strongly lazy, that's why they Gamble. They want something for nothing. It's the same thing with gambling systems they want somebody else to do all the work because they're too lazy to do it. For years I never talked about what I did because I didn't realize that it didn't matter, it's so much work that nobody's going to do it anyway. I know I know, past outcomes have no connection to future events. Blah blah blah. But they do have a connection, just not a physical one. We make up the connection in our minds, we invent a game in our minds using past outcomes and if you're good it's going to work more often than not. It's like the game of chess. All the pieces sitting on a chessboard have absolutely no connection to each other in reality. They're independent of each other and have no effect on each other. It's us that invents the game that gives each piece its own unique purpose where none actually exists. If you can do it in chess you can do it in roulette. Now you will say that chess pieces are not random and I will say so what. Has nothing to do with anything. The random outcomes in roulette can only arrange themselves in a very finite number of configurations. And those configurations can be exploited.
     
  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    In 55 resets you can win too! LOL!
     
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