TurboGenius When does it lose ?

So do the mathZombies.

 

Look, if you are SO convinced that random is without limits & anything can happen =random;
buy Ux Sofware's LTD Roulette Extreme, go into the casino, lose some money (the more the better to show harm) .. & then go to sue them big time (too bad they ain't registered in USA, there you'd really rip moneys out).

@Median Joe you're from UK, right - all the details are in the company house.

In my eyes, its a big bet out of your favor that you'll be able to prove their random =passed,failed test as incongruent & not matching the correct math principles & equations, thus seal the deal in your favor. But if you 100% certain what do you have to lose.

Make a case that you've designed a system based on it & lost tons of money + prove that is mathematically incongruent; not just free play, but profits assured irregardless. Heck, you can invite a whole lot of other math experts & make a class suite.

Charges:
.. just to begin with
Negligence -- unintentional deception, based on ignorance -- easy to prove (providing you prove fallible math on their side).
Gross negligence -- intentional deception, knowingly using 'wrong math' & still decided upon using it, providing a feature -- a bit harder to prove the intent, but in this case, since its math only & knowingly providing a feature; with your infallible math you have to prove the function behind the feature is incorrect only, & since its a commercial software intended to in-part "design systems" (that's what you are actually paying for when purchasing a specific bundle).

The list can go on .. adding various counts of charges; in nutshell you have a case made & handed as a present. You only have to work out the details.


Perhaps you can convince the magistrate or judge, whatever the title he/she/them carry; but me you failed to convince a long time ago.



But you are sooooo certain about, innit?

You mentioned that for you its a hobby or recreation of some sort. You can do this, play over a span of years if you wish. At worst there's your 100% certain '=guaranteed' insurance, at best you have your money back & then some more.

 

That's funny, I coined the phrase 'educated guess' on GG about 12 or 13 years ago for what I do in roulette. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything, I post here for my own edification. I spend my time on the internet because that's where I play since my state legalized online gambling. I haven't been inside a brick-and-mortar casino since early 2020. And yes I am on the internet a lot because everything I do comes from there. I cut my cable last year and all my entertainment comes from streaming services on the internet and a whole lot of YouTube. YouTube is the greatest invention of my life time as far as I'm concerned.

 

Hmm, the program must think, that is something totally new...

No matter in which language you wrote, matter to see that part of code because you said that used AI. I have several who practically works with machine learning at quite a high level, but... you used perceptrons?

 

And that's who the casinos worship, the mathboyz. It's how they make their living depending on the mathboyz to be accurate in their calculations.

 

It's a no brainer to have it hunt predefined trends or patterns. What it does is to also make bets based on the best looking trends, to check if there are any recent patterns of the sizes of these trends so that it won't select any trend not trending in that pattern of currently existing sizes, like if there is a swarm of triples in the selected trend it won't bet a fourth repeat, and then to also consider if recent guesses are performing as desired. It looks to see if the overall game is playing it's game at the moment. It pulls back to a low level bet or a virtual bet automatically. It's strategically based on my own thinking. I taught it to mechanically think like a skilled reading randomness player.

 

A true mathboy would not set foot in a casino without a proven concept of a strategy that has an edge. In the 15 years that i started I’ve been to a casino once. Why on earth would i go there again if the odds are against me…

 

It doesn't think like a human. Do you know what the "imitation game" means or is? Just because it doesn't think like a human doesn't mean that it is not thinking. It just means that it thinks different. People think different. Some people like some things and not others. Does that mean that they don't think just because they are different?

 

Lurkers: Read what Turbo has written, all of it, both here and the main thread on RF.

Then read it all again. And then again.

Then do what Lucky recommended, make a large complex task more simple, attack one angle, and test test test that angle. Then build on it.

Ignore the noise.

 

Hence the concept for at some point in the future it being to late. That's "too late" to use it because it will be gone one way or another. And my belief that the mathBoyz will be last in line and one or two bricks shy of a full load.

 

Benas, are you a wheel? Or do you just feel like it? Because, man, you just literally typed the sequence! Why should it be random?

 

I'm pretty sure the answer to my question (What to do with early false alarms?) is not answered in his posts. Even his last test stopped tanking at some point, which shows that TG himself got stuck in false alarms. So, have you figured out when to start betting?

 

Ok anyway, are some factors and one result - where to bet on the next spin. Theoretically, machine learning must solve that if select good factors which have a real influence to result. So the matter is how well select these factors...?

 

It selects correctly when it's working and backs off when it's not. It just does a lousy job of it. I spent enough time on it. It's nothing to be proud of. I lost the source code for it when I was messing around with open source.

 

No the question is not correct and I'm 100% positive Simon would not answer you with that kind of wording.

Instead.... ask if "random" can produce a #1 for 37 times in a row and still be considered "random"
The answer is no, it can't. When you have 37 possible outcomes and all 37 outcomes are the same number,
you are not dealing with "random". The question is a waste of time because common sense should tell you
this. But it's your time.

 

That's not true at all - every naysayer on here acts like "only stupid people gamble since they don't have an edge".
I know for a fact that (as an example) James Woods loves to play poker. I follow him on Twitter and he's always
posting about different competitions he is in for large sums of money. Does he always win ? No, of course not.
His IQ is 170+, well over Einstein's. 1579 SAT score, 779 in Math ! M.I.T........does that stop him from playing
the game ? Of course not.
To imply that the "smart math boys" don't dare play when the odds aren't in your favor is nonsense.
So just the math ignorant are in the casino ? Not true at all.
Now if you don't know what you're doing, and believe random means "anything can happen" then by
all means never go into a casino again. Save your time and money because you will surely lose.
If on the other hand you understand what random is, that it has limits and that there are ways that
it is predictable - then learn and test and learn more and test more and go for it.

 

If I saw a chi of 1332, then I'd assume that the wheel was biased as hell, but that's not the point of the original example. (Still, there's that chance of 6.038E+255 that it's not really a unicorn.) Wheel bias is measured via probability/level of confidence.

In the end, that one 37 spin sequence that happened, still had the same probability of hitting from the start, it's just that nobody was likely looking for that one unique possible sequence that hit.

 

Agreed. Your sequence of 1's and the 100 "random" outcomes have the same probability of appearing in that exact
specific order. That isn't the point though is it ?
There's no roulette system that says "Here are 100 outcomes - play them in this order".
You'd have to agree that is nonsense but I'm sure some scammer has come up with it.
Hell there are "lucky numbers" that are sold to suckers every moment of every day.

What you must have to agree with though is that a sequence of spins can easily be shown to
be "random" or not "random". This is the foundation of why bias wheels make you money....
because the results are not random at all.
So "we" system players are working with random outcomes - the 100 spins of #1 is not going
to happen in a random game ever because that then means the results are not random.

On a fun side note - if you start RX and manually spin #1 and then #1 (2 spins) you get an
instant "FAIL" result on the wheel analysis. Yes, it takes more than 2 spins to know if you are
dealing with "random" or non-random. That's why you collect spins, correct ?
You are confident enough with your observation and data that you know the results are
not random and therefore have found your advantage and opportunity to attack such a wheel.

The first listing you posted and the second of all 1's have the same probability - but the
first is within the results expected by "random" and second with all 1's is NOT.
We're here on a roulette forum dealing with independent random outcomes.
To bring something clearly not random into it and say "this can happen too" isn't a very
good argument.

 

That wasn't the point of the all 1s post though.

For some reason, system junkies think that if they can calculate the probability of an event that they can side step probability and exploit events that are due, in order to win in the long term... in a game where the house payoff is short.

 

SirNoOne,

Stop your bluffing nonsense.
Twisting won't hide your error.

How's your 100 1s in 100spins to do with short payoff?