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Roulette Is anyone beating this game consistently?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rinad, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If you wanna win more bring more .


    Simple as that.
     
  2. Bombus

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    I do realise that every time we respond to the mathboiz we extend their lifespan on these forums, we breathe life into them with our replies. We really should stop. And I'm fairly certain there's no one around here that needs saving.

    Why don't youz all ship of to Egypt and help save all the victims of the illegal body part harvesting market? I mean if youz guys are really so altruistic and eager to help, that would be a much better use of your time.

    jbs, you are correct. I can't do the math, I just tried and failed. But hey, you can't play my game, so there. :cigar:
     
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  3. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Thanks to you and Gizmo for your replies.

    I wanted to know who goes into the naysayers list.

    There are a few borderline cases.
     
  4. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    I agree to a certain extent.

    Mathbois do raise some points of contention that's worth discussing and exploring.

    I'm a mathboy naysayer too. Just that I hardly make naysaying posts and surely no sarcastic remarks if I do. Don't want to be politically incorrect. Fact is, I'm a huge naysayer. Super duper huge. I'm sure people are surprised to read this. Lol
     
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  5. Rinad

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    if all the time spent on trying to prove someone wrong was spent on actually helping someone this forum would get five stars. I love it when I hear "I want to warn new players not to buy into scammers", yes they have nothing to said.
     
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  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Bullshit. Arguing is the game of choice here. The crap is the featured result. I helped people with the RR thread and look at the fantastic results of that.
     
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  7. thereddiamanthe

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    .. if only they were using a congruent ruler.
     

  8. Rinad

    Rinad Active Member

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    and I think you have helped people with RR, but proving someone to be wrong is a bad strategy, that is my point. not just here but in life in general. because the second someone is being attacked their lizard side of the brain goes into "survival" and are incapable to learn or hear anything that has been said.
    I bet when you learned anything from anyone you had to have a willingness to "listen' and even imagine or visualize . that can only happen when the Lizard is asleep or taking a nap.
    R.
     
  9. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    But you aren't playing the long game, the roulette wheel is. And every roulette wheel that's currently spinning or has ever spun. All you are doing is jumping in and out of the long game and playing a very short game. You will not live long enough to come close to playing any part of the long game. So of course you can get in, make your goal, and get out. As long as you like, for the rest of your life. The long-term in roulette it's like a glacier. If you live in the path of a glacier that's growing in the long-term it's going to crush you. In the short-term you won't live long enough for it to crush you.
     
  10. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm not getting anywhere proving that "the house always wins" is wrong. They base it on the odds being in their favor. If I'm right then the math is incomplete and incorrectly defined. It would be one of the most important findings in statistical reasoning if I am right. That will effect just about all statistical based experiments in both medicine, phycology, and even in insurance actuary tables. I know that I am right. Math is subjective. RR exposes that. It's in the area of why they have been arguing over things like this for more than 150 years. It's sort of like Absolutism vs Bayesian Inference. It's completely unsettled. I'm not going to be around when this is settled. But I do get to kick people like Snowman in the teeth for attempting sophistry and gaslighting in his job of recruiting wobbly wheel cultists.
     
  11. thereddiamanthe

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    As @TwoUp pointed out .. nudge at the core of their erroneous concept .. the house edge being paid at hits only, its accumulation being unclocked at each system reset.
     
  12. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    So you're focused on losing? :D:D:D

    With the random game in the long run, it's not possible to lose more than the house edge, regardless of how hard you try.
     
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  13. thereddiamanthe

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    You're only telling what's going on ;in your mind' coupled with sum stu pitt mentalicons.
    Nuffigh at all to do with me.
     
  14. thereddiamanthe

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    &

    bs ..

    some could & did lose whole fortunes & then some borrowed more .. way more than the house edge.
     
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  15. SPIKE

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    What? If that was true why is the average hold in double zero roulette 16 or 17% everyday. If it was not possible to lose more than the house edge the hold should be 5.4% every day not three times that.
     
  16. thereddiamanthe

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    DSSA, if you had a block of flats, could you lose them in addition to the house? NO.
    Coz they all concrete-made & the tornado would just pass through them.
    See you both sides.
    Simultaneously.
    With mirror or without.
     
  17. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    The hold is based on the percentage of the players buy in. The rate is high because players will continue to recycle their money, discontent with a small win. Think of it as a "win big or go home" scenario. This is different from the house edge.
     
  18. SPIKE

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    No kidding, duh. You said you can't lose more than the house edge no matter how hard you try. Obviously most people lose more than the house edge every time they play. Nobody goes through $100 and goes home with $94, it's usually a lot less. Now if you say you meant in the long run, nobody lives long enough to play in the long run. We can only play in the extreme short-term and suffer the consequences. If we lived long enough it would all even out in the long term, but last time I looked nobody lives to be 400 years old.
     
  19. Median Joe

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    Many players don't realise that the HA applies to the turnover, not your initial bankroll. So if your bank is $1000 and you're playing single-zero roulette you should lose 0.027 * $1000 = $27, right? It could happen, but suppose you make 300 bets at $10 per bet. That means your turnover is 300 * $10 = $3000, and $3000 * 0.027 = $81. That means the HA is effectively 8.1%. Of course it doesn't happen like that for every player; some may leave with a profit and others may blow their entire bank, but on average (which is all that the casinos are interested in) that's how it works and is the reason why the hold is higher than the HA.
     
  20. Rinad

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    Joe is absolutely right , that is why as a example I have seen in a 10 seats poker game you can look in front of players early in a day a certain amount of chips, come back 8 hours later and see with the same players a tremendous shortage in the overhaul players, the rake taking his percentage of money on every hand won or lost ,something like 10% of the pots. yet you can see it clearly because even know not one player added any new money on the table its gone. it pushes players to take risks (which is what the house loves) but we players are the ones being grinded, not the other way around. the longer we play the more the house loves it. and I cant believe they now introduce roulette wheels with 0/00/00 as if it was not enough. maybe that means we the players are doing something right and they see it in their bottom lines.
    90% of players expect to lose when they walk into a casino, isn't that crazy ?
    that is what "the power of belief" creates in people. that is the house biggest edge in my opinion, that and greed. I dont place greed first because greed is also what makes casinos successful and is not the main reason for players losing.
    believing you cant win is first is the core reason for losing. math is used all the time to change a player's belief , and it works in most cases, and it would not surprise me that "the powers unseen" are actually paying people with good education, vocabulary , to navigate through all gambling forums and their job being "spreading' the math like a virus to level the plain field and in doing so helping casinos to maintain their bottom lines of huge profit. what would happen if all of a sudden all players walking into casinos would not believe in luck anymore but believe they could win with proper practice, good info ,et...... I have seen the same thing in forums where a penny stock was running high, i would hear some guys bullying others into "not selling" yet , rooms filled with excitement from us having a good run. yet some would discourage anyone from saying anything about the stock going south in the near future, like a boiler room. yes people do get paid to discourage anyone from truly winning in our world, and they are good at it. here they use math as a great tool, dont bring anything to the table, exept math ! and wrong math.
    Regards,
     

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