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Baccarat The Final Solution

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Probably common enough to give LIAR a headache but adding to that LW can make even one triplet repeat cause five LIAR.

    Maybe waiting for a fictive win will show a pattern differential that will help?

    J
     
  2. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    the idea above is that shoes with a lot of Singleton's will generally produce more 31 and 21. Conversely a shoe with a dearth in Singleton's will generally produce more 32 and 22.

    Shoes change throughout the game. Keeping an eye on the main road and it's choppy or streaky signature might help making good guesses to bet one way or another. But after losing the first bet betting against the triplet should be the advantage bet.

    J
     
  3. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    I'm trying to understand the video.
    I transferred everything to excel with the bets and in the end I got 7 units of profit, is that right?
    In roulette we have black and red, do any of them equal bank and player or whatever?
    I need this information because I'm going to post the doubts I have posting all this march converting to P and B.
    Grateful!
     
  4. stephen

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    Bankroll at end is 9 units. Bankroll after every spin is given in Bankroll. Assume Red is Player and Black is Banker. Zero is deduct 0.5 units.

    Also remember Baccarat is a negative expectation game and it is difficult to beat the game.
     
  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I will explain ...

    One way to jump on board a sequence that has a bias is to wait until you have a fictive win.
    Then you have one repeat among two events within a Set of Block of three.
    This means that you can not get triplet or any Set or Block without any present bias.

    I simulate this with a 50/50 RNG sample
    Here below can you see the evidence of real trends within a shoe with 80 trails!

    A LL means that the trend stops with no bias.

    RNG Shoe One

    212 - LL
    311 - LW W W LL
    222 - W W W LL
    212 - LW W W LW W W LW LW W LW LL
    311 - W W W LW W LW W LW LL
    211 - W LW W LL
    313 - LL
    212 - LW LL

    The sample below bet that each block or Set will have a bias.
    So we don't know if the sequence will have a repeat or not as in the example above.
    This is the same as above but we bet before a bias is present.

    RNG Shoe Two

    313 - LW W W LW LW W W LW LL
    211 - W LW W LW W LW W W W LW LW W LW LW W W W LW LW LW LW W W LL
    322 - LW L
    213 - LL

    Above can you see two events strike over 30 times in a row (one strong - bias - sequencer)

    And we can get a DRY SPELL with no bias - see my example below.
    Is rare and the majority of Shoes will have biased sequences.

    233 - L
    323 - L
    221 - LW W W W W LW LL
    322 - L
    322 - L
    232 - L
    323 - W W L

    Will post more details tomorrow.

    Cheers
     
  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is a video using Sputnik's Trends ( March )
    Four Shoes end up with the results below - flat betting peaks

    +3

    +7

    +8

    +1

     
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  7. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    Hi guys, I'm going to post my understanding of the Sputnik March,
    With Jimske's explanation in post 220.
    If it comes 211 or 311 Continue following 1 until you lose.
    Ex: If BB P P comes (221) I bet on B.
    If 22 comes I bet against 231
    If 231 comes, I bet 232
    If 32 comes bet to come 33
    If 321 comes, I bet 322
    I posted the March of the video and converted it to the standards as I understand it.
    The 122 numbers of the video will come. Blacks I converted to P and Reds to B and zero I ignored.
    If anyone can correct the errors if you have and explain to me.
    Here's how my march was:

    1. 16 P

    2. 03 P

    3. 01 P

    4. 12 P

    5. 36 P

    6. 22 B

    7. 13 B...(DRAWN PATTERN 32 AND BET ON 33)

    8.16 P -1 (BET IN 322)

    9. 14 P +1

    BLOCO – 322

    10. 24 B

    11. 02 B

    12. 22 B

    13. 21 P

    14. 30 P (DRAWN PATTERN 32 AND BET ON 33)

    15. 20 B -1 (BET IN 322)

    16. 02 B +1

    17. 17 B

    BLOCO – 323

    18. 34 P

    19. 18 P

    20. 18 P

    21. 15 B

    22. 04 B (DRAWN PATTERN 32 AND BET ON 33)

    23. 06 B +1

    24. 19 P

    25. 12 P

    BLOCO – 332

    26. 04 B

    27. 33 B

    28. 25 P

    29. 22 B (DRAWN PATTERN 211 AND BET ON 1)

    30. 11 B -1

    31. 11 B

    BLOCO – 213

    32. 32 P

    33. 30 P

    34. 00 (I DID NOT COUNT THE ZERO)

    35. 08 B

    36. 07 P (DRAWN PATTERN 211 AND BET ON 1)

    BLOCO – 211

    37. 06 B +1

    38. 29 B -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    39. 35 B

    40. 18 P

    41. 00 (I DID NOT COUNT THE ZERO)

    42. 05 P (DRAWN PATTERN 32 AND BET ON 33)

    43. 36 P +1

    44. 01 P

    45. 26 B

    46. 28 B

    BLOCO – 332

    47. 14 P

    48. 32 P

    49. 32 P

    50. 30 P

    51. 24 B

    52. 19 P (DRAWN PATTERN 311 AND BET ON 1)

    53. 36 P +1

    54. 25 P -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    BLOCO – 331

    55. 06 B

    56. 33 B

    57. 03 P

    58. 11 B (DRAWN PATTERN 211 AND BET ON 1)

    BLOCO – 211

    59. 18 P +1

    60. 03 P -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    61. 01 P

    62. 24 B

    63. 08 B (DRAWN PATTERN 32 AND BET ON 33)

    64. 28 B +1

    65. 13 B

    66. 35 B

    67. 24 B

    68. 30 P

    69. 18 P

    70. 01 P

    BLOCO – 333

    71. 13 B

    72. 15 B

    73. 26 B

    74. 25 P

    75. 17 B (DRAWN PATTERN 311 AND BET ON 1)

    BLOCO – 311

    76. 12 P +1

    77. 10 B +1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    78. 28 B -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    79. 03 P

    80. 20 B (DRAWN PATTERN 211 AND BET ON 1)

    BLOCO – 211

    81. 23 P +1

    82. 01 P -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    83. 10 B

    84. 12 P (DRAWN PATTERN 211 AND BET ON 1)

    BLOCO – 211

    85. 15 B +1

    86. 09 P +1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    87. 26 B -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    88. 08 B

    89. 29 B

    90. 32 P

    91. 15 B

    92. 29 B -1 (DRAWN PATTERN 311 AND BET ON 1)

    BLOCO – 312

    93. 23 P

    94. 31 B

    95. 29 B

    96. 36 P

    97. 32 P (DRAWN PATTERN 22 AND BET AGAINST 231)

    98. 24 B +1

    99. 17 B

    BLOCO – 222

    100. 19 P

    101. 22 B

    102. 29 B

    103. 30 P

    104. 19 P (DRAWN PATTERN 22 AND BET AGAINST 231)

    105. 00 (I DID NOT COUNT THE ZERO)

    106. 35 B +1

    BLOCO – 221

    107. 01 P +1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    108. 17 B +1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    109. 07 P +1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    110. 29 B +1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    111. 13 B -1 (CONTINUE FOLLOWING 1)

    112. 01 P

    113. 07 P (DRAWN PATTERN 22 AND BET AGAINST 231)

    114. 09 P -1

    115. 23 P

    116. 19 P

    117. 13 B

    BLOCO – 231

    118. 05 P

    119. 13 B

    120. 34 P

    121. 09 P

    122. 13 B

    I got 8 units of gain!
     

  8. Rond1nell1

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    I'm also going to post the same gear as in the Sputnik video (HG SM).
    I would like to know the reasons for the bets on this march.
    There were 56 bets while mine had 30 bets, 21 of which were the same.
    The same as mine I'll put in front (=).
    The question is whether the same ones had the same principles that I mentioned and I wanted to understand the others as well.

    Here's the march of the video:

    1. 16 P

    2. 03 P

    3. 01 P

    4. 12 P

    5. 36 P

    6. 22 B

    7. 13 B

    8.16 P -1 (=)

    9. 14 P +1 (=)

    10. 24 B

    11. 02 B +1

    12. 22 B

    13. 21 P

    14. 30 P +1

    15. 20 B

    16. 02 B +1 (=)

    17. 17 B

    18. 34 P

    19. 18 P +1

    20. 18 P

    21. 15 B

    22. 04 B +1

    23. 06 B

    24. 19 P

    25. 12 P +1

    26. 04 B

    27. 33 B +1

    28. 25 P

    29. 22 B -1

    30. 11 B

    31. 11 B

    32. 32 P

    33. 30 P

    34. 00 -0,5

    35. 08 B -1

    36. 07 P -1

    37. 06 B

    38. 29 B

    39. 35 B

    40. 18 P

    41. 00

    42. 05 P

    43. 36 P +1

    44. 01 P

    45. 26 B

    46. 28 B

    47. 14 P -1

    48. 32 P +1

    49. 32 P

    50. 30 P

    51. 24 B

    52. 19 P -1

    53. 36 P

    54. 25 P

    55. 06 B

    56. 33 B

    57. 03 P -1

    58. 11 B -1

    59. 18 P

    60. 03 P

    61. 01 P

    62. 24 B

    63. 08

    64. 28 B +1 (=)

    65. 13 B

    66. 35 B

    67. 24 B

    68. 30 P

    69. 18 P

    70. 01 P +1

    71. 13 B

    72. 15 B

    73. 26 B +1

    74. 25 P

    75. 17 B

    76. 12 P +1 (=)

    77. 10 B +1 (=)

    78. 28 B -1 (=)

    79. 03 P -1

    80. 20 B

    81. 23 P +1 (=)

    82. 01 P -1 (=)

    83. 10 B +1

    84. 12 P +1

    85. 15 B +1 (=)

    86. 09 P +1 (=)

    87. 26 B +1

    88. 08 B -1

    89. 29 B -1 (=)

    90. 32 P

    91. 15 B

    92. 29 B -1

    93. 23 P -1 (=)

    94. 31 B

    95. 29 B

    96. 36 P

    97. 32 P

    98. 24 B +1 (=)

    99. 17 B

    100. 19 P +1

    101. 22 B

    102. 29 B -1

    103. 30 P +1

    104. 19 P -1

    105. 00 -0,5

    106. 35 B +1 (=)

    107. 01 P +1 (=)

    108. 17 B +1 (=)

    109. 07 P +1 (=)

    110. 29 B +1 (=)

    111. 13 B -1 (=)

    112. 01 P +1

    113. 07 P -1

    114. 09 P -1 (=)

    115. 23 P

    116. 19 P

    117. 13 B

    118. 05 P

    119. 13 B +1

    120. 34 P +1

    121. 09 P -1

    122. 13 B -1
     
  9. Joey Torres

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    Hi Panatha,

    Thanks for your post. I'm trying to figure out your MM but I'm still confused.

    Please provide further details.

    Best regards,
     
  10. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    No but I've been to sliding rock :)
     
  11. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Why didn't you bet B after spin opened BBB R BB you have no bet here. Shouldn't this be a bet for black 313?

    J
     
  12. CT70

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    Why are you using an RNG? The outcomes are not the same as a real baccarat shoe. You are wasting your time.
     
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    You are making it way more complicated than it has to be.
     
  14. Sputnik

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    Hello - thanks for sharing your opinion - feel free to show us your simple way to tackle baccarat - you will not.
    No one sharing and only hides behind claims without any proof then empty claims.

    This is why I earn my respect from members or at least I like to think so.
    And if users want i can use random org - same as any existing baccarat shoe and RNG works like clockwork.

    Cheers
     
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  15. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Am I to understand that the above represents a data set whereby the sets occur in order? So the data set starts with 212 one time and then 311 occurs 4 times; 222 4 times; 212 11 times; etc. ?? Can I recreate the data set from above?
    X
    X
    O
    X
    X (212)
    O
    O
    O
    X
    O (311) etc.
    ............
     
  16. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's time to back up your statement with evidence other than anecdotal accounts.
     
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  17. Sputnik

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    RNG Shoe One

    212 - LL
    311 - LW W W LL
    222 - W W W LL
    212 - LW W W LW W W LW LW W LW LL
    311 - W W W LW W LW W LW LL
    211 - W LW W LL
    313 - LL
    212 - LW LL

    Jimske the RNG shoe is one experiment where i wait for one Set or block of three to show a bias or repeat.
    This way we can not get any of the four losing sets/blocks
    213 - 312 - 321 - 231

    So if i get 22 and will bet singles if they show next and series of two until two loses or a series of three or higher.
    Lets say i get 221 then i jump on board the bias and strike several times in a row.
    If i get 222 then I have one Win the last 2 as the first 2s indicate a repeat/bias
    So that way i turn the mechanical selection into trending.

    RNG Shoe Two

    313 - LW W W LW LW W W LW LL
    211 - W LW W LW W LW W W W LW LW W LW LW W W W LW LW LW LW W W LL
    322 - LW L
    213 - LL

    Here I wait for 31 then bet 1 and if a loss bet 3 next and if a win continues betting 3 and 1 until two loses - a series of two.
    The 211 was 2s and 1s striking like crazy over 20 in a row.
    So in both shoes, we follow the bias and flow where the first one is after we indicate a bias and the other before we have a bias indication.

    Hope this helps
     
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    IMG_4215.jpg IMG_4216.jpg IMG_4217.jpg
     
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  19. Jimske

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    It appears this game is being played on a "rolling" basis.

    P
    P
    P
    P
    P
    B
    B
    P L
    P w 322
    B
    B W 223 He is using the prior BB to start the 2 bias. Then PP and W on BB here.
    B Now he is using the prior PP
    P
    Are you using rolling sets or not?
     
  20. Sputnik

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    Jimske I get back to you tomorrow -

    Cheers
     

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