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TurboGenius Turbo, do you remember the discussion on how to select the repeat?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    Have you beaten roulette? If you had you would not be asking these questions. Do you know that the formula of how to make Coca-Cola is one of the best-kept secrets in the world. Extreme measures have been taken to keep it a secret. Why don't they just release it to the general public, then everybody can copy it and everybody can make Coca Cola. Are you starting to understand now? Like recipes, gambling systems are not copyrightable and you cannot patent them. If you invent a system that wins more than it loses and it gets out it's now public property. You have no rights to it whatsoever
     
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  2. gizmotron

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    The stock market has moving indicators that are useful but it also crashes because idiots do crazy things like electing other idiots like them. Computer based trading platforms get goofy and everything drops. Most of all it takes more than a $100,000 trading portfolio with 150 active trades yearly to equal what can be done on a Roulette table in a couple of months with a $10,000 total bankroll of 5 $2,000 session bankrolls. I can prove that to you using a simple trading method. If I have one trade at $2,000 for 100 stocks worth $20 each at buy in and sell off at $24 each then I make $400. If I turn more trades like that three times in a year then that's $1200. But I lose half the time at -$2 per share when it loses. So I lose $600 in those trades. So I would aggregate from around $80 to $200 a year from each trade. Each trade would take around four months. If I average that it would be around $160 time three. That's just under $500 and down to $250. If I win 75 trades and lose 75 trades then I'm looking. On average that's $350 per won trades. So that's around $25,000 from your stock portfolio in a year. That's of course is high or you are very very good.

    Now to make $25,000 from your $10,000 Roulette bankroll risking only $2,000 per session to equal that earnings potential you need to make 200 session per year at $125 won on average for each session. Based on standard 2 to 1 earnings of RR you need to win more each session to make up for losses, just like losses figured in the stock market. So to be safe you need to quit all sessions won at $200. That's ten percent of your session bankroll and easily doable. I can play all day on $700 at $5 chips and $90 to $100 bets on my big bets. I don't need a $10,000 bankroll. $3,200 is more than enough to go after equivalent earning from a $100,000 stock portfolio. That's stopping all sessions at from $180 to $200 per session also.
     
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  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is comical. You can tell them right to their face and they can't see any value in it or how it works. LOL
     
  4. Nathan Detroit

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    ROFL. Gizmo got it what makes Frank K. tick.
     
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  5. precogm

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    You are telling me that out of the 1000s of holy grail systems out there just 1 can't be demonstrated to finally put an end to the debate?

    Even if that 1 was shown to the general public, what difference would it make when you still have another 999 holy grail that can still beat the casino without being detected?
     
  6. SPIKE

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    I have no idea I haven't seen the other 999. I've only seen mine. And it's not a Holy Grail, that's a gambling myth.
     
  7. precogm

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    You don't need to use your own capital if you can predict random. The whole of the investment banking world would be at your feet.

    You could be paid millions just work alongside the real analysts.

    All they require is that you demonstrate your claims.
     

  8. SPIKE

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    Math very much has a cult-like mentality. They have to believe what they believe and will listen to nothing else. It's like having a Christian explain to you that the Earth has only been here for ten thousand years. If you try and talk them out of it they will act like you're insane. So just pat them on the head and keep them away from sharp objects so they don't hurt themselves. And avoid them as much as possible.
     
  9. SPIKE

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    The world really does not work that way. This is just another gambling fantasy that if you could beat a casino game you're going to be filthy rich. Like the casino is going to let you do that. Like you have the time to do that. Like you have the desire to do that. The whole thing is just another gamblers fantasy. Blackjack card counters beat the casino, why aren't they all filthy rich. Because beating it is one thing getting the money is a totally other thing.
     
  10. gizmotron

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    I wrote the Reading Randomness thread to end debate. You learn the skills. You practice the skills with the provided practice software. You then demonstrate to yourself that it works. End of proof. If you don't believe yourself then who can you? If you wait until you see in on the evening news then that would be proof too. Please wait.
     
  11. gizmotron

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    I don't think that the stock market is randomness. It's up and down in micro movements do to trading activity. You can crash a stock with a rumor. Have the billionaires come to me and we will storm Europe. I'll even give you a finders fee. As long as your bankroll is big enough to take on the variance and keeps you with room to maneuver then it's doable. And the Roulette table does not crash.
     
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  12. SPIKE

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    It's very cruel of you to make people work like that. Don't you realize they want it yesterday so they can run to the casino and get filthy rich in the next 10 days? That's how the fantasy works, anyway.
     
  13. thereddiamanthe

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    past outcomes have no bearing on the next outcomes .. all spins are independent .. the house edge ..

    Listen to Joe .. he started CORRELATING PAST OUTCOMES
     
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    Do you see ho w he sneakily moved from the 'independent spins' ..group of numbers don't matter argument .. to the dart throwing & AP; repurposing my argument to the first issue inti the new context, where it has no relevsnce whatsoever.

    & y'all following along that shithouse..

    That's what he is always doing .. jumping from one thing to the next .. never addressing the thing as a whole .. gives him room to move about & disappear the previous grounds behind him as soon as someone gets close .. onto the next thing. Another pussy, can't stand his ground.
     

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    ↑ quote for the post above
    but it ain't apophenia when correlating (Joe, quote, two posts above) .. as correlation always always indicates a pattern, or at least a coefficient that inevitably produces a pattern in any setting

    do you hear yourself?
     
  16. SPIKE

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    Congratulations, you are a master of the obvious. Whoever said past outcomes have an effect on future outcomes. I never said it, Gizmo never said it, we've never even implied it. The house edge completely disappears once you have an edge that's greater than theirs. Now you're taking their money instead of the other way around. Everybody knows counting cards in blackjack gives you an edge over the casino. Why would you think that's the only casino game where it's possible to do that.
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  17. precogm

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    lol

    Don't get me wrong, I don't care either way but the mathboyz are looking like the winners in this debate so far.

    Out of the thousands of holy grail systems you guys can even demonstrate 1 that wins consistently? Seriously?

    Anyway good luck
     
  18. TurboGenius

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    What on earth does the Stock Market have to do with random ? There's nothing random whatsoever about the stock
    market.. I can't even imagine why you would compare the two unless you don't know what random is ?

    Been there done that - I think what you meant to say is "...demonstrated with step by step instructions."
    Because "demonstration" has been done exhaustively.

    Again, nonsense - what "could" happen is that encryption would suffer - since so many things are based on random being
    unpredictable, it would cause a literal nightmare. Again though - you would have to understand what random is and what
    it's used for aside from a roulette game in a casino.

    You said it over and over again and it's been demonstrated over and over again. Either you're not paying attention
    or you just don't care to see it. Then again with "precognition" you tout.... never, never, never once has there been
    a demonstration (much less proof) of that being a real thing. There have been million $ prizes for ANYONE who can
    demonstrate this mystical power but not a single person ever has been able to demonstrate it. It's a sham that
    is perpetuated by tricksters, like the "cure all" magical pill - preying on the desperate and gullible. But here we are.

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    2.5 Billion - Oh someday... someday someone will post some results I guess.

    Now what you really want is step by step instructions on how it's all done.
    To that I say..... not a chance.
     
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    I guess its the same as when you learn how to consistently beat the wheel, or better be in accordance with it, exist in sybiosis .. as with the precognition.

    Once attained, you don't wanna the world to know about it fully. Imagine that you are able to 'know'. Most would start to relunctant about you, not geing themsekves anymore, as much as potentially appreaciating having your aquaintance in their benefit .. in the same degree most would hold back. Pretty much no one like someone way stronger, especially on the lelel they think its beyond them, & everyone likes their secrets. Even with fame, as much as it can be used in favor .. its nasty as thorns as well, especially well you evolve .. & people baturally regressing you in their accepted image of who you were .. it takes herculian effort to overthrow their frozen mirrors.

    The world knowing or being aware of you being in possessiion, even embodying such powers ., mostky works at disadvantage. & once such powers or abilities of other types, success/triumph is achieved something withing happens, a type of distilation, a transmutation .. where old worries & things that were of importance before, naturally & smoothly suddenly drop or wear off .. (much like old aquantances dissapear from your life once you evolve beyond'em) finding yourself in a completely different sphere of things .. being on, not even a mountain where you can be taken off, but a plateu of a kind where nothing that was happening in the valley & might have been important to you ≈ doings of men matters anymore at all.


    Once iy comes to the roulette systems, & majority knowing the mechanics of how it works .. well, DSAA put it correctly -- the edge is not many doing the same thing .. + a simple practicality of it .. once your privacy is gone it can never be restored as it was .. once the eyes are on you for a very significant reason .. there'l' always be a presence lurking at the shadows .. & even if you decide to loose your .. with the technology available today .. that presence will slways reapear as soon as surfacing on the grid again. You can even operate your face .. & burn your burn off your fingerprints .. but to intentionally change the dna .. that's one one the greatest transmuting tasks only a few workdwide learn to achieve & attain .. much like immor...


    & do you think, we are walking amongst you & you don't even know, that if everybody knew .. you could live the way you wish?? The only purpose of letting know would be to run the terror through the their veins/nerves/cores to overthrow everything in existence.

    & then I hear some voices reaching from the valleh.. ohw, prove this, prove that if you really can & if you want to be believed & acknoledged & ... like sounds of incobsequential mosquitos buzzing around that a breeze of life throws them out of existence into dust .. do you realize your & the futilitg of it;


    probably not.
     
  20. Luckyfella

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    Everyone knows how to calculate probability.
    Everyone knows the probability for each location.

    Example, the probability of each pocket is 1/37. Well known probability number.

    The real problem is,

    How many of you understand the meaning of this probability number?

    From what I read from posts there are very, very, very few countable on fingers in one hand the people who truly understand the meaning of this probability number.

    This clear lack of understanding results in saying knowing the probability is useless. Lol

    Therefore, the real problem lies in YOUR ignorance and lack of creativity.
    (The problem got nothing to do with independent spins, extra pocket or unfair payout.)

    Too bad no one will reveal this 1%(in Vaddi's words) understanding to the public.
     
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