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TurboGenius Turbo, do you remember the discussion on how to select the repeat?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    I present a personal challenge to SirAnyone, Benas and MJ.

    And anyone who wish to accept this challenge.

    Let's imagine a roulette game with no green zero.

    Therefore, we remove this extra pocket and unfair payout. Payout remains the same at 1/35. No house edge.

    Tell this forum whether this modified roulette game can be beaten or not.
     
  2. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    What does it matter if you know the correct meaning or you don't. You don't need to understand the math of something before you use it. I have lots of handguns and when I go to the practice range I'm a pretty good shot. I have no idea of the math involved of how a gun works and I don't need to know. When you use your cell phone do you know the gigantic amount of math needed to explain how it works? You don't know any of it and it works just fine.
     
  3. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    Even if the payout was 1/36 nobody would beat it.
     
  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Anyone can post graphs. They're basically nothing more than art without proof of concept and or supporting math.

    upload_2021-12-7_22-55-21.jpeg

    Proof my dog can beat roulette
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    Proof my rabbit can predict the outside EC bets.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ08oFADxe3CJgBiVOvN2goeYfSDGBhTPp96w&usqp=CAU.jpg
    Proof my six year old neighbor can predict roulette numbers.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY699WfcW8ztMxr6jWmQzPKw0xBw8eBZQkoA&usqp=CAU.jpg

    Proof betting all of the numbers Turbo doesn't bet wins.
     
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  5. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    Those graphs are too steep.
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    But wait, there's more...

    040021112_Fillymareturf01.jpg?B.jpg

    The horses prove those graphs are real and that the systems work!
     
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  7. Median Joe

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    Even at fair odds the gambler is overwhelmingly likely to lose, because the casino has a much larger bank than the player (gambler's ruin).
     
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  8. Median Joe

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    I don't know whether you're stupid or just don't bother to read. There is a dependency between the initial conditions (physical variables) and the outcome, but there is no dependency between the outcomes themselves. Understand?
     
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  9. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    quote

    I keep track of my balance throughout the game. It is simple math, like how much I am down, what I need to bet and how, and subtract the winnings when they occur.
    My outstanding balance tell me what to do. I follow my flow chart so I know always in which part of the game I am at.
    Back in the days I used a clicker, to know how many spins on that bet I did so to know where my progression on the ratio was. Now I simplified a lot my game. After so many years, all you do is kinda automatic.

    About the revolutionary idea: when you think the game is strategical and statistical, you don't disregard the mathematical implication of guessing the outcome from a random number generator. You know that time is on your side while bankroll is on casino side. They have infinite bankroll you have limited bankroll. But time is different. In Time you will win, if you endure. How to resist? Think strategically, think like the game is a battle of a never ending war. You do not want to win, you want to kill one more soldier than the enemy, you wanna win a chip, just one, and go back and win another one.
    Gain yourself some time, and enjoy the single chip you won. Battle after battle you will learn more and more, especially how to make your system more efficient and profitable. I am still learning, and improving.
    Don't fall for easy win or big numbers. Build your game, your skill. My motto was:"better win little than lose a lot". Seems dumb but think how many times you fell for big hits, great days, euphoria.
    I don't have adrenaline at the game. It is boring and dull, that's why I try to go there less and less with the same profit. I enjoy other things in life, not casino's thrill. That thrill is your enemy.
    Read. A lot.
     
  10. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    I keep going ..

    If you don't get it straight .. you might get it figuratively ..
    If you don't get it figuratively, then there's no assistance left for you ..

    & what comes out of you some distorted discrepancy ..


    Don't you get neither how silly you sound?
     
  11. Luckyfella

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    SirAnyone conveniently avoided to give an answer to my challenge modified game. Benas, if he chose not to response show he doesn't know the math as he claims. Let's wait for him.

    MJ, I assume you have nothing more to offer than what you wrote above. You are allowed to add to your comment above.

    Note - This is not a trick challenge.

    SirAnyone, Benas and MJ repeatedly cited extra green zero pocket and unfair payout as the reason why gamblers lose.

    By removing this extra pocket and unfair payout in a modified roulette game, the forum will now read what else can they offer to support their claim why systems gambler lose.

    This forum will also read that these 3 musketeers have nothing to offer other than this house edge that even novice, fools, chums and hard core addict gamblers are well aware of.
     
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  12. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    Correct.
     
  13. precogm

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    Anyone can predict the results of random events would be a useful tool for all investors.

    Some might want a step by step. I just want to see a public game where just 1 of these 1000 holy trails are demonstrated.

    Again, anyone who can predict random will be a useful too to institutions who have a lot at stake when it comes to investing.

    You do realize that this is the same thing forum members have been saying about your claims about beating roulette, right? To everyone else your claims might as well be precognition.
     
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  14. Luckyfella

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    If you define upfront the standard of proof that's based on statistical significance math, there might be takers.

    Keep in mind there's no incentive to show proof.

    Isn't it weird that confounds logic that these 20 years of claims, ie. 100% are all false?
     
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  15. Benas

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    If talk is about who know math better - I said many times - we can compete and here no need for something very difficult - say 8th class task i select to you and you select to me and we see who faster will solve and at all if solve...all is very simple and clear after one task !
    I not understand in what is chalenge ? Say you will lost or not ? I think that you will , I think that you not know what you must know that say to play even equal. Here still is not simple game.

    If you think that you will win - for that is enough to write one sentence from which I will understand that you can win . Are such sentence after which I imidiatelly will change thinking about you and will start believe , that maybe you really something can...
     
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  16. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    I thank you for your reply.

    Tbh, I don't understand the bolded statement.

    Can some kind soul help translate pls?

    I just want to be clear what exactly is he saying. Don't want to assume things or put words in his mouth. I want to be 100% certain about the math in his written word with no excuse.
     
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  17. precogm

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    They might be true but I am yet to see it. That is why we just need a basic demonstration on somewhere like rsim. And for it to be repeatable by multiple members since it is a system.

    My standard is simple.

    First, demonstrate you can win with a winrate over 1.2 for 1000 spins. On a public game. You should bet every spin or 1000 spins must be bet on.

    (Bonus) Second, explain the method and ask others to verify it.

    Very simple. I am a simple man I like simple things.
     
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  18. Benas

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    If here say will be chess forum and are arquins - one group say that what they do is better, but another group say no - better is something other.
    What is soluttion in such sittuattion - simply go to chess room and play each against other who win - that are right - Logical ?
    You understand that not publishing in forums charts or something other will prove, but who will win ?
     
  19. Benas

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    I ask in what is chalenge ? What you want - that I will say - if you lost or not ?

    As I understand Chalenge is inviting to fight ? But not understand in what ?
     
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  20. Luckyfella

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    Can any gambler win or lose in this modified roulette game(with the extra zero(s) pocket and unfair payout removed with every other existing rules remain unchanged)?

    You are allowed to express any opinion you wish in this modified game context.
     
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