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TurboGenius Turbo, do you remember the discussion on how to select the repeat?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Probability will tell you, the house payout is short of what the odds say is fair.
    On a biased wheel, the probability of winning changes because some numbers hit more frequently than others for a physical reason.
    With ballistics, the probability of winning changes as well, because the accuracy of your prediction can be better than what is expected.
    On an RNG, you could theoretically exploit the non random time based seed, like the Russians did on the Wild Buffalo machines.
     
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  2. SPIKE

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    Probability in roulette is always predicated on the person making random choices on random outcomes. If a person no longer sees the outcomes as strictly random and can find places in the outcome stream to bet where he has a far better chance of being right then probability dictates, his odds of winning are now higher than the casinos odds of winning and he now has the edge. The better question to ask is why do you naturally assume random outcomes are unbeatable. You certainly do not get that from the math because it only shows you random bets against random outcomes. It does not tell you that you cannot improve on that.
     
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  3. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    And with those few ways of beating roulette you draw a line on the ground and say that's it, there are no other ways to beat it. When you really don't know if there are other ways to beat it, you just assume there are not.
     
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    If we all could do just that ....:)
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I know all of the ways. Sorry, just the facts.
     
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  6. Luckyfella

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    The bolded statement is true.

    For biased wheel it's upon the casino to determine the quality of their spins are random which is the purpose of the game. It's beyond basic logic that the casinos do not monitor their wheels real time to make sure that their wheels are not biased. Perhaps there might exist such obscure wheels in some 5th world casino where thieves exploit. There is no novelty in such idea except thievery.

    For the claimed ballistic, this idea is not novelty. The method employed to try determine initial conditions is crude at best. Such crude measuring methods do not in any way change the probability at all. For more sophisticated methods the casinos employ strict dealer protocol together with enforcing a small betting window to none post ball release, simple solution. The casinos use their discretion for nmb where it's more lax to allow gamblers to place last minute bets until there might be suspicion the presence of sophistication at play. That's one of the reason for the eye in the sky and the real time monitoring of hold for every single table.

    For the Wild Buffalo machines the code was hacked and exploited over 2 days. A case of crime.
     
  7. Luckyfella

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    You have to prove your unsubstantiated bs thievery claim.
    A widely read person can make similar claim.
    It's silly to claim an assertion as a fact.

    Anyone who employs thievery won't brag on gambling forum.
     
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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    MJ's post really is great. It really sums things up and puts things into perspective.

    Everyone should read it twice.
     
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  9. SPIKE

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    You know the ways that you know is what you meant to say. Because you obviously don't know all the ways there are. Why you keep arguing about this is a mystery. You know I'm not an idiot and you know I've been doing this and talking about it for at least 17 years because you were there. I just got done playing this minute on the evolution wheel, won my two units and quit. Are you saying I didn't do this? You can't, because you have nothing to base it on except speculation and wishful thinking. You can say it was luck, but I do it everyday, is that luck to? Hardly.
     
  10. Luckyfella

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    Btw you don't need to know all of the ways.
    Example, the Russian Wild Buffalo syndicate has no idea nor interest about ballistic.

    You just have to know one.

    Pretty clear you know none.
    Your brag is childish.
     
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  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Spike,

    I'm sure you think you can.
     
  12. Luckyfella

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    The same applies to you.
     
  13. SPIKE

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    Why? He's wrong with the very first sentence.

    "It's the system players who are claiming they win consistently in the face of already existing proof and overwhelming evidence that systems can't win."

    Where is the so-called evidence, I've never seen it. The evidence that every system or method can't win. You can say with certainty that a specific system or method can't win once you've examined it. But you can't throw a blanket over every possible system and method and say they can't possibly win because you have not examined them. It's the height of hubris to do so.
     
  14. SPIKE

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    I'm sure I know I do. I just did it, I went there with the express purpose of making two units and I made them. I will do it again in another hour absolutely positively. Not a single doubt. That's called doing it, with real money, not thinking you can do it. I would take screenshots but you would just say they were doctored. You will say and do anything to make it look like you are always right.
     

  15. gizmotron

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    This is ridiculous. Put it out there. Tell everything. Don't leave anything out, and stop with the "I know your are but what am I" dragging on and on, year after year. Just go silent if you know how to win.
     
  16. Luckyfella

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    Exactly.

    The tag team posting by SAA, Benas and MJ together with the naysayers and losers jeering prove nothing.
     
  17. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    "It's the system players who are claiming they win consistently in the face of already existing proof and overwhelming evidence that systems can't win. Therefore the onus is on them to provide the proof. If they won't or can't do it, we just have to assume that the existing math is correct, otherwise all sorts of nonsensical claims may be given some credence." -MJ.

    That really sums it all up. MJ's quite smart. With that one post, he put Turbo and many others in checkmate.
     
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  18. SPIKE

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    Gizmo, who are you addressing here. It's confusing.
     
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    Then assume that the existing math is correct, no skin off my nose as they used to say. Ignorance is bliss is another good saying. Continue thinking does the sun revolves around the Earth, it doesn't change the facts of it. Your beliefs are meaningless.
     
  20. Luckyfella

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    That's far from smart an average school bully think of.

    You exploit the moderation rules to troll claims hoping for handout. Try as you might it won't happen. You will not get Turbo to set his rsim account to public. Same with everyone else.

    Sorry, your silly tactics don't work.
    Your desperation shows.
     
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