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TurboGenius Turbo, do you remember the discussion on how to select the repeat?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Fact is I WILL reply to correspondence IF that person wrote to me he understand the math I posted on forums.

    Show me proof.

    I will be delighted to know there's someone who got brains.

    There is no "hinting".

    There is no secret to the math.
    Math is math.

    It's a situation of,

    Either you know or you don't.

    Herby wrote,

    "You don't know all the assumptions."
    This is real math talk.

    Thumbs up Herby.
     
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  2. Rulet

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    Dr sir anyone, i dont quite understand how u can disagrre with the fact that if someone plays the most recurring numbers is different to a biased wheel, surely if certain numbers are repeating regularly it is abiased wheel and thats what u r looking for
     
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  3. Rulet

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    So system players playing hot numbers = biased wheel
     
  4. Rulet

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    Casinos might be deliberitaly biasing wheels
     
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  5. Rulet

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    System players taking advantahe of that
     
  6. Rulet

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    Lol my spelling is atrocious
     
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    English sucks, spelling is different to pronounciation
     

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    Damn strulegged for years
     
  9. Rulet

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    Still do, ha
    Sir, Watch your bak out there.
    No one else will, jinks
     
  10. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Read all Shank's post starting from here.

    He wrote the problem clearly.

    I highlighted his other post below.
    Read it.

    This is the problem to solve.

    We know the probability to hit.
    How do you solve the cost problem?

    Use your brains instead of whining on forum.
     
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  11. Gigi666

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    I surely don't know all the assumptions, but looking just at birthday paradox calculator, while for example 9 out of 37 gives 65% chance that at least two of 9 will be the same that does not really translate into actually getting a repeat as often when betting last 9 numbers or any 9 numbers. When taking separate strings of 9 numbers for example 1,3,6,12,23,23,7,8,9 I do see the 65% hit rate of having at least one repeat (I think it's around 22% for the 9 numbers to have more than 1 repeat), but that does not guarantee a profit flat betting as you never know where the win will come in that string. 35 out of 100 strings played guarantees - 36u each so 1260 loss. To turn a profit on avg the winning 65 strings would need to win no later than spin 6 on avg to get at least 20u profit per string. We know that avg repeat happens on avg at spin 7-8, which does not help us here. Of course I could look at 12 numbers that if I remember correctly is 86% hit rate but produces bigger loss per session and 1 win on last spin also is a loss.
     
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  12. Luckyfella

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    Gigi, you wrote the same cost problem that Shank wrote earlier.

    All of you have the same thinking.
    All of you stop thinking at the same place.

    There's nothing special about what you wrote.
    It's the obvious count.
    You have shown the cost problem.

    Everyone who followed TurboGenius idea betting hot or cold numbers will face this cost problem.

    In the past 20 years of forums history there is nothing offered beyond this point.

    If you don't go further than this point you have no chance to solve the cost problem.
     
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  13. Gigi666

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    That's the problem, most of us can't solve that so good luck to those that could and can easily take money from the casinos.
     
  14. thereddiamanthe

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    Not hot, currently well-performing .. 'hot' can get mismatched with those on top of the 500 spin interval board.
    These usually ↑ arise from the long-quiet ones, after its 1st or 2nd appearance.
     

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    OK, moving to the streets ..


    the relevant differentials for st=12 are
    ↓1ST = impossible
    0.08333↓2ST = 0.08333
    0.15277↓3ST = 0.2361
    0.191 ↓4ST = 0.4271
    0.191 ↓5ST = 0.6181
    0.1591 ↓6ST = 0.7772
    0.1114 ↑7ST = 0.8886
    0.065 ↑8ST = 0.9536

    then again, we know there's 14 streets on eu wheel (3 overlaying); 0 being an included play constituent
    ↓1ST = impossible
    0.07143↓2ST = 0.07143
    0.13267↓3ST = 0.2041
    0.1705 ↓4ST = 0.3746
    0.1787 ↓5ST = 0.5533
    0.1595 ↓6ST = 0.7128
    0.1231 ↑7ST = 0.8359
    0.0.821 ↑8ST = 0.918


    The 'cost-effectiveness vs the optimal probability' show 4ST+5ST, as two-cosecutive bets, being the best flatbet option (& still leave 3u over the other in the chain of attempts).

    Ideal for placing 2Q bet, especially when those streets are contigious as ds or qt, by dismissing the quiet ds' clmn-counterpart → Q.

    Looking from another perspective [somewhere displayed as 'filling the yet unhit gaps' in a street cycle] only in inverse → betting those close together .. as in amalmagation of a street+ds probability (contigious streets having a higher combined probability amalmagated with ds areas) ← hyphotesis.
     
  16. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Your probability of winning on the next spin still hasn't changed because of any calculations. The blind monkey has the same chance to win as you do.

    Sorry just the facts. Knowing the probability doesn't enable you change the odds.
     
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  17. thereddiamanthe

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    DSAA, not all of the staking plans are based on the 'hit on the 'next' spin'.
     
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  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Your calcs are silly at best. Calculating the probability of winning doesn't enable you to side step the house house edge.
     
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  19. SPIKE

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    Is that what he's doing oh, I can't tell. Knowing the probability is meaningless. If you want to change the odds in your favor win more often than you lose. It is really that simple. If you bet 100 times and win 60 of them consistently you just beat the house and changed the odds in your favor. But you have to do it consistently, every time you play
     
  20. thereddiamanthe

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    My calcs are an exploration & learning .. iregardless of how silly might 'seem'.
     
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