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Baccarat 5 column statistics

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by violater777, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Lost money also. It is very rare for a strategy involving player bets to win flat betting.
     
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  2. fathead

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    Oops. Violater, I was looking at the results and playing as one big shoe was an error. It hurt results quite a bit so starting fresh each shoe was much better. Let me look at the results and code and see what was going on to get the +103 units. Whatever that was did better (a positive error). Give me a few minutes.
     
  3. violater777

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    Was thinking about W/L registries. Many clusters of 5 wins.
    Maybe something like this for MM:
    W+1
    W+2 +3
    W+1 +4
    W+2 +6
    W+4 +10
    /
    W+1
    W+2 +3
    L-1 +2
    W+2 +4
    W+2 +6
    W +4 +10
    /
    W+1
    W+2 +3
    L -1 +2
    L -2 0
    /
    W+1
    W+2 +3
    W+1+4
    L-2 +2
    W+2 +4
    L-4 0
    /
    W+1
    W+2 +3
    L-1 +2
    W+2 +4
    L -2 +2
    W+2 +4
    W+4 +8

    With whenever your back at 0 just betting 1 unit. Or maybe it would be more prudent to do a 3-6 parlay on the end.
     
  4. violater777

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    Cool. Thanks.
     
  5. fathead

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    Looks like what it was doing was starting fresh with a new "Column of 5" at hand #1 of the new shoe, but if it had a possible bet in progress from the old shoe it went ahead and made that bet on hand #1 or hand #2 of the new shoe. See the example below.

    Column Sequence, Shoe, Hand, Result, Profit

    4 4055,59,B, 102.55
    5 4055,60,P, 102.55
    1 4055,61,P, 102.55
    2 4055,62,P, 102.55
    3 4055,63,B, 102.55
    4 4055,64,P, 102.55
    5 4055,65,P, 102.55
    1 4055,66,B, 102.55

    1 4056,1,B, 102.55
    2 4056,2,B, 103.5

    3 4056,3,P, 103.5
    4 4056,4,B, 103.5

    You can see that when shoe 4056 began it started fresh with the column numbering. It had a possible B Lapper bet in progress from shoe 4055 so it went ahead and made the bet when the second B showed. This added to your profits. The profit curve looks better too so might as well do it.

    b Lapper v2.png

    I have an appointment I need to go to but if you have any questions I will answer them later.
     
  6. violater777

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    Looks good. A good way to increase your bet opportunities. Thanks for the explanation.
     
  7. violater777

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    Is there anyway to get a W/L registry?
     

  8. fathead

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    Not really following. Is a "W" just when Banker shows in the "Column of 5" during the shoe?
     
  9. violater777

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    Yes. Or a "L" if a P shows. My reasoning is I'm trying to develop the right progression for the registry.
     
  10. violater777

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    Don't have to show where the wins and losses occurred. Just for example: WWWLLWW etc.
     
  11. fathead

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    Does this help you? This is the Banker and Player count for each level of the "Column of 5".

    #1 B=29711 P=28918
    #2 B=29376 P=28448
    #3 B=29010 P=27974
    #4 B=28496 P=27692
    #5 B=28145 P=27245

    Hmm. Level one and two are dominant. Maybe that is why you are winning.
     
  12. fathead

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    Or maybe the other levels are more likely to be cut off at the end of each shoe.
     
  13. violater777

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    It does help. It is awful odd that there is so many Bankers in the first and second column. But I was more interested in if you could send me the W/L sequences if possible? If not, no worries. It wouldn't take much to get the registry off my own shoes.
     
  14. violater777

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    Very interesting that B appears slightly more in the 3rd row of the column instead of the second. The 5th row has a decent win percentage also. Any way to program the 3rd and 5th row of the column separately? Only betting the 3 and 4 hole of a Banker streak.

    Ex:

    P
    P
    P
    P
    P
    /
    B
    B
    x bet here for the 3rd row

    Ex:

    P
    P
    B
    B
    x bet here for the 5th row

    Same goes for the 4 hole of three B streak in the 3rd and 5th position.

    My reasoning for this is your stats. There must be a way to snare those Bankers in those positions.

    Row 1: B wins 50.67%
    Row 2: B wins 50.8%
    Row 3: B wins 50.91%
    Row 4: B wins 50.72%
    Row 5: B wins 50.81%
     

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    I think the differences you list above are shorter term variances. With many, many more shoes they would be nearly the same. I will play around with it and see if I can come up with anything.
     
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    Here are the ones that had positive results (after commission).

    3 P
    4 B
    5 B
    1 <<bet

    4 P
    5 B
    1 B
    2 << bet

    5 P
    1 B
    2 B
    3 B
    4 << bet

    Maybe these are just random results peculiar to my data. This is very odd.
     
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    Here is the combined chart for the 3 setups above, starting fresh each shoe, no overlapping bets from shoe to shoe.


    B Lapper v3.png
     
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    With the warning that I am optimizing to my data, here is the most profitable way,

    < P
    < B
    < B
    1 <<bet

    < P
    < B
    < B
    2 << bet

    < P
    < B
    < B
    < B
    4 << bet

    You bet on the sequence number, and ignore what comes before. In this way you can bet from the end of one shoe into the beginning of next shoe. We are starting the numbering process fresh each new shoe so this is necessary. Examples below.

    5 P
    1 B
    2 B
    new shoe
    1 <<bet

    3 P
    4 B
    new shoe
    1 B
    2 << bet

    3 P
    new shoe
    1 B
    2 B
    3 B
    4 << bet

    It is a little confusing. Below is the profit curve.

    B Lapper v4.png
     
  19. violater777

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    So, the 1,2, and 4 slot are the most profitable playing the Banker streak in the 3 and 4 hole? Is that right?
     
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    Or just at the beginning of the shoe?
     

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