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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Thank you for your opinion. I can program and don't need RX's proprietary scripting language. I prefer writing my own dedicated functionality and command structure in my own personal operating language as an extension to X-talk, a fourth generation language. I'm talking about building true artificial intelligence based on the principles found in Reading Randomness. You are not the first math oriented person to give up and call it BS. You won't be the last. So be it.
     
  2. SPIKE

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    Or not. If you tested it you will find that half the time another single will appear and half the time it won't. So why would it be a good time to bet. Every time is a good time to bet, it's just that some times are better than others.
     
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  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Spike, that's like mysticism to math guy.
     
  4. SPIKE

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    It's the truth, when playing random outcomes every time to bet is equal to every other time to bet. But when you have lots of experience observing the random outcomes from roulette you can make an educated guess that will improve your likelihood of winning. Improve it a lot.
     
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  5. Rond1nell1

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    I also agree with this point of view!
    Randomness forms patterns, we cannot predict when a new pattern will start or end one too. But we can take one that is holding up and gain from it.
     
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    Mr. Giz,

    I guess I was not clear enough.
    I did not call your thread ''BS"". Just the non-stop nastiness from quite a few of the people here.

    I said I was intrigued by your assumptions and, being a ''math guy'', it was sort of contrary to my inner convictions.

    You said many times that players should have an open mind about things. So I am trying!

    But, I am like this guy in the Bible who had to touch things to believe they were real. So running a simple test like the one I mentioned would certainly make a true believer in me! It would have to be on a very large sample, like 1M spins from Wiesbaden or something.

    Talking about Wiesbaden, do you thing your method would fare well with RNG numbers instead of BM casinos?

    And, finally, I know this is completely off topic, but does anyone know anything about Interblock air ball machines?

    I know they are supposed to be totally random, but it is a robot after all, and robots will necessarily repeat things, right?

    Regards,

    Insider
     
  7. Nathan Detroit

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    If in doubt get in touch with Blaise .
     

  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Writing at least a million lines of object oriented functionality in the process of programming an AI version of a simulation is no easy task. I have already successfully programmed human beings much easier and faster by at least a few years. This was made for human brains and there is nothing stopping you from convincing yourself. You will trust your own eyes. Job done. I did not share this to make people true believers. I want those that have a box of excuses not to learn it and to stay as cool as they are, right up to when it is too late.
     
  9. Claude Smith

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    Ok, so I was not asking you to code anything.

    Do you agree that betting on the trend to continue would be a winning proposition IN GENERAL? Not as a guessing game.
    For example, after a repetition of 6 in EC, you bet that it will continue. Such a bet would have a +EV?

    Because it really is what you are saying: when you put your money on the table, you have +EV.

    Just another thought. Those more or less creative progressions have no bearing on the long term outcome. Either you have a +EV or you do not.
    So betting more will only make you lose more if the EV is -. When you raise your bet, it only means that the outcome you are looking for is more ''due'' one spin later, and that is not reasonable to think such a thing.

    I know, I know. This is the maths speaking again...

    BTW, NASA just sent a fantastic telescope way, way up yesterday. Do you think the big shots at the head of the multi B$ enterprise got together and GUESSED what should be best? Or they used what really is at the basis of pretty well ALL of mankind achievements, mathematics?

    Food for thoughts right?
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Chasing the trend won't work. As a matter of fact, I could tell you which color was going to hit the most over 5000 spins, and you'd still lose. The extra pockets on the wheel is just to overwhelming.
     
  11. SPIKE

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    LOLOL! You always were a great comedian, Caleb. Do you think me and Gizmo have been wasting our time for the last 15 years, does that make sense to you. That if
    this wasn't working we would have quit long ago? You have a good enough edge the extra pockets are meaningless. They are just a blip in the play.
     
  12. Claude Smith

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    ''Do you think me and Gizmo have been wasting our time for the last 15 years?''

    There are several reasons why people post what they claim are winning methods.
    And some are All In. They have been claiming such or such a thing for so long that they just will not admit they were wrong.

    Now, I am not saying it is the Giz's case. Far from it. Do not know the man at all. I am talking in general.

    It takes balls to admit you were wrong all the way. Not given to all, obviously.
     
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    Good because it's not. I have not talked to Gizmo in 11 and a half years since July of 2010. And when I started talking to him again just recently it's obvious we were both on the same track because we both came to the same conclusions without ever discussing it. What does that tell you about what we do. You think that's a coincidence we're working on the same thing totally apart from each other and we came to exactly the same conclusions? It means we're onto something, like there was ever any doubt.
     
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  14. gizmotron

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    I'd venture to say that Spike and I could sit at the same table, both of use focus on different aspects of the data and both of us get up and leave the table with our session goal in hand.
     

  15. Rinad

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    forums have been filled with claims for a very long time. it would be nice going into the future of this new year if there would be more videos made of what "playing this or that ",looks like. it does not have to be live in a casino, but simulators can do well in terms of representing what power or force a Method carries. people like to hear what the song sounds like, not the explanation of that song sounding good. I am not being critical so I hope no one takes what I am saying the wrong way, but lets think of it.
    we all know by now and I sure hope we do anderstand that, losing sessions do exist and so it does not matter so much the short term results.
    but how refreshing it would be if we, the players could begin demonstrating a Method, system, what ever it is we try to convey, in a video.
    visual has a way to explain something that words dont. there has been countless times when a ibedea sounded super in my head, and I could not wait to try it, but then ,as i did play it, some other forces at work revealed the idea to be a flaw.
    because no matter what we come up with, like a friend told me , everything is subjective , and so we have to bring the right tool to do the right job. reading a score board or multiple spins that are showing up right in front of our noses can tell us what is "happening" at this table. but it is tricky sometime, we all see different things often. like a secret code of how numbers are forming, maybe revealing to us that we may just have the perfect tool or approach to take on this batch of spins. like being in perfect harmony with what is happening.
    winning is so easy when we are in Sync ,and so impossible and hard when we are not. the real trick is "reading" the language and see what opportunity , if any, is right there. I cant believe how stable and consistent some streaks are, lines, number combos that dont seem to ever end. if stability shows its face, we have to play and take that risk, just have to. the loss is actually very small considering the reward when I think of it. stability I can only recognize if I am looking for it. I see that line, 4,5,6 going on for ever at time, see that double street, 13/18 , go on and one for a full hour at time. it is asking "please,play me!". singles up to 17 times early on today. a whole board painted "black" with no red ! should I said "its too late "??? me, "no way", I would jump in and take it until I see obvious signs of "its over"
    phases are real and I know that has been said before and so I am just replying a old song. but worth re-replaying !
    any how, just wanted to write a little, and by the way, Merry Christmas Roulette friends, and Happy New year ! stay safe !
    God bless,
    Rinad
     
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    Nice post rinad, merry Christmas and happy new year to you also.

    Great concept and I agree, I know gizmotron has already posted videos of r.r, thanks gizmo.
    As for other posters would be good to see from them also , not just roulette but other table games as well.

    Here is the thing, and please I’m not being a naysayer at all, but I would assume you would be howled out by the mathtopian as your ( generic poster) video didn’t cover their lifetime definition of a billion gazillion spins/hands/rolls.

    In saying that , most that have a 51+% winner method ( covers the range for flat betting only, as per my bias ) don’t really care about the mathtopian definition anyway.

    I would post a video once brick and mortar casinoverse is safe to enter here in skipptophia. We are unable to have online real money casinoverse account access here. Although I’m not sure how or what the machinations are to post videos here this forum. To me I’m unable to comprehend what is written on the forum regarding uploading videos. I will re check.

    If anyone can give simple information/instructions I would really appreciate it.
    Good post rinad. Cheers
     
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    it hurts me to see many of you whom I believe are great players always have to play defense, explain the same things over and over. can only imagine your frustrations with the math guys. but like in a football game, a team can explain how right they are about their plays but at the end it's all about how many points you have on the board. so maybe you could start writing your sessions scores, live results or practices. something like , Monday/ + 150 units,. Wednesday + 60 , ect....now if you know you got something it will b a long list , and if someone argues just said " maybe you right but last night is + 250 units". just writing your honest results will have more impact then arguing and playing defense all the time, because at the end it's always how many points you have on the board . it would be hard to argue with a guy who is having great results, making units time and time again. no more playing defense, it's time to turn around and said "it's time to kill the bear !!!" , let me show you some actual results. +.....+...-.......+.....ect...... Cheers
    R
     
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    I always wondered what’s the betting selection of a mathboy. Given the fact they use math as Their way of beating roulette they most likely like to cover 99.99% of the table to win a small profit.

    Good luck with that! Those type of system requires a large bankroll. For such little wins, and how much you’re risking (per spin) is just not worth it.

    But don’t worry there’s a YouTube channel called CEG Dealer School that’s more suitable for you guys.
    Again, you’ll need a large BR
     
  19. gizmotron

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    As many now know Spike convinced me to try online again. I've tripled my buy in, withdrew more than I started with. Have an equivalent bet on the super bowl with hedged bets for 13 teams, any one that wins gets all my bet back, and of course my favorite to win that will make it hugely worth it. And I have double the start value sitting there for my operational bankroll. I've won every session. That's because I'm surfing the little micro waves. Some of you know what that means. The math guys will say it's all just luck. So to them they are right. Now they can be all happy with what they still believe.
     
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    They will say watch out, the house edge will catch up to you. What they will never understand is you now have the edge and it's up to the casino to catch up to you which they will never do because you can take advantage of them by betting anytime you want and they have to take the bet. Even if they knew the conditions were awful for them taking your bet, they would still have to take it. You can pick and choose, they cannot, and that is your biggest weapon. A sitting duck is very easy to hit because it's just sitting there waiting to be shot. Casinos are sitting ducks.
     
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