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Baccarat Why I use 1-2-4

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Garfield, May 1, 2022.

  1. Garfield

    Garfield Active Member

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    Imagine you have a sequence like this:

    LLLLLLLWWW

    Using 1-2-4 prog, you'll end up even minus com.

    How often your bet selection gives you 3 WIAR?

    From my experience, following the trend could provide it.

    Thought and comment are welcomed, in a positive manner I hope.
     
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  2. Garfield

    Garfield Active Member

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    Anyone who could win with flat bet could win more using positive progression.

    So if you're a flat bettor, would you mind sharing why not using it?
     
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    Think of it thusly you buck up against the wwl situation: so with the 1-2-4 yer gettin clipped for -1 unit despite winning 2 of 3 decision. use a simple 1-2 positive progression and you capture +2 units for that same wwl sequence. And of course just bets flat as I do that wwl sequence allow me to capture on units profits. Bottom-lines for me I don't like the 1-2-4 style cuz I don't like gettin clipped for a loss when I capture 2 of 3 winnings wager, hey hey.
     
  4. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The anti streak bets are actually a martingale 1 2 4 .

    The usual fare AS 3 or AS 4 . Anti trend against 3 or 4 with a 3 step Marti.
     
  5. Garfield

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    Make sense. But the shorter the pos prog (1-2), the shorter the losing streak you could bear...

    In my above example, if using 1-2-1, you are allowed to have only 4 LIAR so it goes LLLLWWW...

    If only two steps (1-2) then LLLWW...

    The point here is I believe many experienced 5,6,7 or more LIAR ...and there's a chance of minimizing the lost without risking more, only another -1 if you failed in any stage of 1-2-4...

    Another way I've used is when I lose the first stage, I will double my unit for another 7 bets, and triple my unit for another 7 bets if I failed the second stage.

    Stage 1: @1 unit bet LLLLLLLL -8 units
    Stage 2: @2 unit bet LLLLLLLL -16 units
    Stage 3: @3 unit bet LLLLLLLL -24 units

    Totals -48 units

    What I do I try to climb up the stage until even or get profit, and revert back to earlier stage whenever I could.
     
  6. Garfield

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    Stage 1 -8u
    Stage 2 -16u till this you already have 16 LIAR

    Let's say in stage 3 you have 3 WIAR, then it's 7*3 total 3=21u so you only -3u in total.

    The damage effect of 16 LIAR is almost minimized by 3 WIAR...
     
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    My 3 previous messages never went through, I don't know why but when I response to other thread,it goes smoothly.
    I don't know what will happen with this test post
     

  8. hotjohnnn

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    To help you out it does not matter whatever progression you are going to use if you do not know theoretically how many units you are going to win versus how many you will lose.

    I did the same mistake years ago thinking that if i have seen 7 players in a row next time i see players streak will not go 7 or more.
    WRONG.....

    It can happen as many times random wants(in theory).

    So the principle of any bet selection even if it s roulette baccarat or anything even sports betting is to bet always for the value.

    That s the best we can do nothing more, we do not control anything other than that.
     
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  9. Garfield

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    @hotjohnnn I think you misunderstood me.... The LIAR I mentioned don't rely on something specific because whatever your bs method is, the LIAR is inevitable...

    But I'm interesting in 'bet for value'... Care to explain more?
     
  10. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Garfield - I like to think that if we can get long strikes with wins and occasional single losses we have a chance using a positive progression.
    I have been working on one idea, an experiment to get that strikes using a specific methodlolgy.

    If you allow me I can explain the idea within this topic, if not you can dismiss my message.

    Cheers Patrik
     
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  11. Garfield

    Garfield Active Member

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    Sure, please explain here .... Your "Sputnik March" is still one of the best I ever read....
     
  12. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Considering you using two different ways to play, two opposite ways that cancel each other out.
    Then our assumption is that one way over the other should perform better.

    But the strange thing about random trails is that one sample of 300 outcomes can favour one method.
    And the other 300 outcomes can favour the opposite method.

    Now three simple rules.

    two singles is one event
    a series of two is one event
    a series of three or higher is one event

    Method 1 out of 2

    when you see two events showing bet that the third one will show and win two in a row

    B
    B
    P
    B
    B
    B

    Here we have a series of two and a series of three, so now we bet to get two singles to win two in a row
    If not then series of two and series of three and higher will strike several times in a row and we lose our progression.

    Lets say we use three levels 1111, 2244, 88,16,16,
    If we bust we have got three sequences with two events striking above six times in a row

    Method 2 out of 2

    If we get two events, then we bet that they continue striking several times risking two bets
    If not we win with method 1

    There are two entering points, start after two events strike three times in a row and show a bias
    or start directly after seeing two events showing

    Baccarat Method 1 out of 2

    Code:
    1
    1
    2
    1
    2
    1 L -1
    1 W +0
    2 L -1
    1 L -2
    2 L -3
    2 W -2
    1 L -3
    1 W -2
    2 L -3
    1 L -4
    2
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 W 2 +2
    1 W 2 +4
    2 L 1 -1
    1 L 1 -2
    1 W 1 -1
    1 L 1 -2
    1
    2
    2 W 1 -1
    2 L 1 -2
    1
    1 W 1 -1
    1 L 1 -2
    2
    2 W 1 -1
    1 W 1 +0
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    
    Baccarat Method 2 out of 2

    Code:
    1
    1
    2
    1
    2
    1 W
    1 L
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    1 L
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    1
    2 L
    1 L
    2 W
    1 W
    1 L
    1 W
    1
    2
    2 L
    2 W
    1
    1 L
    1 W
    2
    2 L
    1 L
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2
    
     
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  13. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    Because if you have a winning flat bet using a progression is a waste of time. Just increase the amount of your flat bets. I am not there to 'win more' I'm there to make my goal and get out. Get in get it done get out. Overconfidence eventually kills every player even if they have a winning system. Always be under-confident and expose your bankroll to the casinos bottomless bankroll for as short a time as possible. Why do you think the casino always encourages players to play play play. It's because they know the casino bankroll will eventually crush you. Are you there to win money or are you there to play. If you're there to play the casino owns you.
     
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  14. Garfield

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    @Sputnik hmm two singles as one event now? Interesting.....

    This is kinda opposite of the March isn't it? Cmiiw....

    Thanks for sharing... I'll think of it....
     

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    May as well dream big when you dream, it takes the same amount of time... DT
     
  16. hotjohnnn

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    I didn t believe me, what kind of system can guarantee you will win on stage 3 of your bets?
    Probably none otherwise it would be too easy to win.

    Best way to find out about value in any of your bets is to search for sports betting value bets.
    Once you understand that it will change your thinking about gambling in general.
     
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  17. Garfield

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    There's no guarantee, nothing at all. But I know I could get 3 WIAR following something....trends, pattern, streak etc

    I failed in all my sports betting, so not interesting about it.

    I don't like to rely on someone else's performance....
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    If one considers the trigger the 2 of the 1 2 4 is the third repeat of the sequence .
     
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    Sure we all can but can you do it more times than you do not?
    I guess you do not have the answer...
     
  20. Garfield

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    I have.. currently I can do it 27 days and failed to do it 1 day....
     

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