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Roulette Ask The Croupier

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by 6probability9, May 10, 2022.

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  1. 6probability9

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    You have the poor man's mindset that goes fishing for defective wheels in whatever run-down establishments. The summation of your roulette experiences is a negative value. Sheit If I'd been losing for as long as you, I'd have lied to myself every day too.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Again Ad Hominem and childish.
     
  3. 6probability9

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    That's correct. Back peddle your conviction and now retract the statement that I'm not a dealer. You came to this thread to discredit my career with your isolated experience and knowledge of casino operations. You're a sad man with a silly spirit level who can only assume the scale of my salary.


    Did you not abandon the position that La Partage is irrelevant? to now play the victim card.
     
  4. thereddiamanthe

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    Leader spike, conceded .. --which planet are you on!?
    Full of assumptions .. n=pointless to refute.

    No, it ain't, you just haven't figured out the math for that yet.
    You are still at basics.

    10% of a guaranteed win ain't that much.
    People gett employed, like you, paying much higher cut in taxes,
    before even meeting their salary, bruglio.

    Not that I suggested to play that.
    I simply informed you about its existence.

    Still better than a loosing proppsition of 1.27%,
    & that's an expectation .. not a reality.
     
  5. Keyser Soze

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    Question:

    Do you martingale your EC bets with La Partage?
     
  6. thereddiamanthe

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    Now show how can one WIN us8ng LP, or concede & shut up forever.
    Not 8nterested in mumbo jumbo you tend to hide behind,
    & is not even of your making.
     
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    Once a magistrate leaves his bench walks in the direction out of courtroom,
    stops, turns, faces & bows down to you, then walks out of the courtroom, like to me;

    you'll perhaps start realizing that you have to be a little bit more than a headless freeman,
    or something like you without the spine & courage to do such thing,
    & brainless to even educate yourself in real knowledge & tools used.

    Just like in roulette, you simply look for the loudest voices & echo them over;
    echo of the past you are probabilpean.
     
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  8. thereddiamanthe

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    Read this post again ..
    & refute the positive edge presented.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/thre...aters-explained-part-3-2020.18024/#post-93190

     
  9. 6probability9

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    Man, you are basic. (4th member of the boy band)

    I've proven the theorem on multiple occasions. The expected value of EC + LP (-.0135) is half that of any other bet in EU roulette (-.027).

    My stance is undisputed. Disprove that 1.35 is less than 2.7. Better yet, demonstrate the optimal roulette bet selection and SHOW MATH.

    No one has counter-argued for a bet selection that is superior to EC + LP. now you want to see strategies on "how to win"? You've already lost.

    The nozero game you opt to play takes a 10% house fee on winnings. The odds are 0.9 to 1 for a win. You're a FM who hasn't realised the expected value of that bet. 0.9×(18÷36)−1×(18÷36) = -.05

    The pirate king of straw. You've distorted my argument so many times. It's embarrassing now that you're appropriating other members' subject matters that have been heavily contested in their own thread.

    What evidence have you presented to refute that EC + LP isn't the optimal bs in roulette?

    None.
    You're running out of straw.
     
  10. 6probability9

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    No +/- progression. No marti
    a single zero can stagnate or ruin progession.

    quite simply flat bet EC + LP using accurate bet sizing. theres an inherent purpose in explaining the Expected Value of EC +LP.

    The wager on EC should equal 2.7% of your bankroll thus when zero is spun. It loses exactly 1.35% of your bankroll.

    gamblers use progession usually out of lose aversion. increasing their bet sizing to make a return from their losses. progression increases the risk of unrecoverable drawdowns . Progression doesn't increase the probability of success.
     
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  11. thereddiamanthe

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    What fucking band you are talking about .. you are just making things up;
    told ya .. stop pretending you are ruling the world.

    You've proven NOTHING !!
    All that was written long before that moronic sperm that apparently won was created.
    Stop taking credit for others' work. Tssss.

    Nonetheless, less shit than more shit is still shit - in regard to you 135.
    No, its up to you to SHOW MATH that the -0.127 is a winning proposition, it ain't.

    Its not be refuted that 0.127<0.35, what is refuted is the fact of its winning or not.
    Since it doesn't it puts you behind & irrelevantes you & the material presented & you in entirety.
    & that's what is important, not disproving that A≠B, rfm.


    I did argue, so stop lying;
    read again the thread I posted the link to, you have a superior no "not"-yours math right there.
    & that's just basics, we are far more advanced than that, multi-dimensional & multi-level.
    You are still stuck on one spin, including your limited attention span.

    Again, stop pretending & luring people into disproving your childish trap.
    Now bow down & walk away.
     
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  12. Kamil88

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    Hello

    I created a strategy. which gives a profit in the long run. Nothing fancy, always one chip for one to three places on the table. Zero progression, always flat stakes. I tested this strategy on over 200,000 spins. The spins came from live online casinos (over 100,000 spins), from Roulette Xtreme (over 100,000 spins), land-based casinos (only 30,000 spins) and parts of my previous sessions from several years (I always save every session I play).

    I created a spreadsheet in MS Excel, programmed all the calculations there, which took me quite a long time, tested all these spins and I can say that the results are good.

    However, I have a few problems and here are some questions for you.

    1. According to the analysis, I will get higher wins by playing RNG roulette. On average, for 100 spins in live roulette my profit is 7 units and in RNG roulette 9 units. in addition, there are several times more spins per hour, which increases the profit even more. However, I am not convinced of the fairness of this type of roulette.

    Are RNG roulettes real random number generators or a slot machine?

    2. Let's assume that I finally chose which roulette I will play and I start to win. Now the question is how to play? Should I play long sessions of several hours or several shorter ones in different casinos at different tables? I know it might sound like a fantasy but that's a serious question.

    How long can the casino tolerate a player who is winning all the time?
     
  13. 6probability9

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    you are experiencing an alternate world in your head. You're a honorary member of SPIKE's boy band.

    you bust like your fellow peers in that boy band you belong to. You asked for me to show math. I sent you mathematical proof. Stop getting triggered by the word. poof. you must be shaking to see all the math that I'll post again.

    where is this -0.127 coming from? This is the math you can't dispute.

    1×(18÷37)-1×(18÷37)-0.5×(1÷37)= -0.135

    I can't simplify the math any further for your incompetent brain to process the above, is the equation for even chances with La Partage.
    The optimal "proposition" and bet selection is even chances (48.65%) that means when playing EC + LP the house is expected to wins 1.35% + 48.65% = 50%
    LP is mandatory to minimize the negative EV by playing even chances as close to 50:50.
    rfm. Nice. 0.127??? Why are you asking me to show math when you're this confused on the arithmetic. "Since it doesn't it puts you behind & irrelevantes you & the material presented & you in entirety" ???. Tool.

    Show the math.
    Let me just expose you presented a straw man argument to some user's post on a random forum link. that doesn't refute even chance with La Partage is the optimal bet selection.
    One-spin. You're dull. -0.135 corresponds to the expected value that is long-term.
    The burden of "proof" on me to support my claim displays betting on anything other than EC + LP has double the negative expected value or worse.

    straight = 35×(1÷37)−1×(36÷37) = -.027
    split = 17×(2÷37)−1×(35÷37) = -.027
    street = 11×(3÷37)−1×(34÷37) = -.027
    corner = 8×(4÷37)−1×(33÷37) = -.027
    six line = 5×(6÷37)−1×(31÷37) = -.027
    Dzn/Clmn = 2×(12÷37)−1×(25÷37) = -.027
    EC = 1×(18÷37)−1×(19÷37) = -.027

    I'll offer you another attempt to refute my statement preferably showing math. Even chances with La Partage is the optimal bet selection.

    Or ask a Question.
     
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  14. 6probability9

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    Welcome to the forum, I appreciate some fresh questions.
    You shouldn't conflate RNG with real or true randomness. To my knowledge casino software is RNG; pseudorandom number generators.
    Even still HRNG/TRNG can not be considered as "real". computer machines are deterministic systems imo they can not be truly random in the context of roulette. That is physics.

    What's the difference between two $10 tables in different locations? .........Distance.
    In regards to session time several hours is not shameful. personally I feel time management should already factor in your lifestyle. If the session exceeds 24 hours, then consider a mini-self-exclusion to rest.

    the volatility of wins differ from gambler and game. In context of roulette, the casino will always tolerate big wins if you tip or even trickle a progressive tip if you're on a winning streak. By law compliance is a requirement If you expect to withdraw. The casino will perform their enhanced due diligence and the rest of it. If your finance is clean they'll increase your limit and tolerate big wins. Assuming you win in the long-term.
     
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    Thank you for your response. I appreciate it.
    I will stay with live roulette.

    I thought people were just arguing on this forum. It turns out that I was wrong after all.
     
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    P.S.
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    typo fix.
    -.0135

    1×(18÷37)-1×(18÷37)-0.5×(1÷37)= -.0135
     
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    Not very long once they've proven to themselves that it's true. They will back you off the game and tell you you're welcome to play every game in the casino except roulette. They will suspect you of cheating even though they won't know how you're doing it and you will be treated as a cheater. It's also a matter of how much money is involved. If you're taking small amounts they will never even notice you. By small amounts I mean a couple hundred dollars a week. If you're taking a few thousand dollars a week, week after week, they will start to notice you and then the end is near. Don't be fooled by people who tell you that tipping big will let you get away with it. The pit doesn't care how much you tip only the dealers do and the dealer's don't control anything.
     
  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    6probability9,

    How much do you earn in tips during a typical shift?
     
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    No, the Casino requires identification, bank accounts, statements to prove your funds are legitimate. If you want to act like a criminal the casino will treat you like one.

    You're an old man! Ever since they legalized online gambling in your state you practically never leave the house. you sit at home deceiving your problematic wife, that your next virtual bet will be the one.

    Apparently you win every day, so have the casinos banned your online account?

    Inflation happens year on year. So possibly in 1975!! The casino may back you off for you're winning 40k a night. VIPs may drop £10,000 or more a visit. do you honestly believe the casino will back them off if they win 30K+ per night. The casino wants the chance to invite them back as the probability that they rebet their winnings.. is likely. Wait do you even know about hold %?
     
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    Poor woman is serving a bird.
     

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