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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That is why I built and share the software pictured above and available for free download here in the software section. You can learn how to use it on many types of Roulette groupings and amounts. It's built to make practice and learning easy.
     
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    I already downloaded and used your program...I read the whole RR topic.
    There is no way for Roulette to perfectly alternate all outside bets, (Even/Odd), (Black/Red), (High/Low). Always one of these will be entering a bigger trend than the others, just know how to identify and make a back bet.
    I only play online, and I would like to have a sample of roulette betting results from a real casino to compare some studies just...
    Thank you @gizmotron e o @SPIKE for contributing to this forum. Most do not want to see the simplicity of their methods.
     
  3. gizmotron

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    I play and hunt the same situations when gambling online or in a B&M casino. I just wait for anything to be working. I track all 6 of my EC's and three column or dozen groups looking for sleeping dozens all at once. I don't have to wait long for one thing to pop up as an opportunity. I just want to take a little money off the casinos and lay low below the radar. It only takes a little while. I like some of the restaurants. Some places have movie houses. If you see 15 reds in a row then I will have already made my goal and left the table. I'm just ready to take advantage. There are hundreds of opportunistic patterns and trends that continue for six or seven spins. They even flow for hours in similar sizes. The patterns and trends are different but the sizes are all about the same. If you are very good you will be looking for that. There are layers and layers of characteristics. You need to open your eyes so that you can see these things. All that can come from my software.
     
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    You are still going to get whipsawed on the random walk. Regardless if you enter after 3iar or some average direction of the recent events, it doesn't matter what your trigger or filter is. When 3iar gets whipsawed do you then use a stricter filter like 4iar?

    Using an even stricter trigger means you're betting for less frequent outliers and then for those outliers to continue which even the math proves that with mean reversion 80-90% of results after just 4iar will return to mixed results that we see within 1 standard deviation, not a continuation of an outlier or even an outlier onthe opposite side.

    When you're on the hard right edge of the chart anything can happen on the next outcome and looking back to the left you can convince yourself that what you see you may call a "trend" when in actuality it's just the same random variance we are all expsoed to.
     
  5. gizmotron

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    Dream on boy scout. I defend against the bad. It's all spelled out in the RR thread. You are just like a liberal that still thinks that Trump is in cahoots with Putin. "What's in your head zombie?"
     
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    You keep saying random isn't random whilst the rest of the world understands that random means unpredictable. I don't need to read your thread and never will because the core of the approach is based on a nonsense.

    Believe whatever you want but I'll call you out on your nonsense as many others already have.

    I care less about your politics other than the amusement I see from the broadcasts over the planet of the elder abuse going on in the white home. It reminds me of your sputtering and handwaving.
     
  7. gizmotron

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    You are an idiot. I never say that and you can't turn me into a puppet like you are a ventriloquist.

    Screw you and the world that you think works the way you think it does. Random does not mean unpredictable. Predictable or unpredictable has nothing to do with coincidence. Randomness is pure uncontrolled coincidence. The concept of prediction is just a construct that you assign to it as an impossibility. It's a ball running around a track with obstructions and multiple boundaries designed to obliterate predictability, the result being a random stream of results. It's in the mind of the visionary to construct a visual representation of lineal formations and characteristics. It's caused by coincidence and has no meaningful power of assembly of its own accord. Figure formations run parallels with positive and negative consequences on a lineal timeline. They do this by coincidence and have nothing to do with predictability.

    You are a math zombie projecting a claim of predictability. You are stuck where all mathNazies, mathBoyz, mathZombies, and jerks are always stuck. It's always the exact same claim. You need to be right about prediction. So I predict this. You will die some day. Think about that. I personally think that you are double screwed. Enjoy it.
     

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    And there lies the rub. I say it over and over and over on this forum that the math for roulette is totally dependent on betting randomly on random outcomes. And it's true that random bets will never beat random outcomes. So to make their math work the math people always assert that random means unpredictable. They do not know this for a fact and just assume it to be true and that's as far as they look.

    I do not like the word predict, I don't predict anything. I make educated guesses based on experience and observation. But math people will tell you that you cannot accurately guess the next outcome while not having the slightest idea if this is true or not. They cannot accurately guess so they just assume nobody can. Random outcomes in roulette are the starting point, not the ending point. If you look at it long enough you will start to see connections and after a while you will be able to exploit these connections. It's not easy but once you get the hang of it, it builds on itself and you start seeing connections everywhere. But math people will never even look because their arrogance and their ego will not allow them to be wrong. Ever.
     
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    What do you think what is the main difference between the roulette game and other games? For example chess, poker, blackjack ?
     
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    Handwaving and opinion with no factual content.

    It is not my opinion or belief that 1+1=2.

    But it is your belief that 1+1 does not equal 2.

    Your attempts to brush away basic math as wrong is really kind of sad.

    All the math I have used can be distilled down to adding two numbers. Multiplication is just adding a number multiple times. Division is just adding a number multiple times.


    And you sit there and tell the world that basic addition is wrong adding up the pockets. Somehow in your universe 18 equals 30.

    You argue that basic math is wrong 18/37 is not 18/37 but more like 30/37 with your "educated guess" magic math that gets an 80% strike rate on a random independent event.

    You say the past events matter and influence the next outcome of the wheel. You therfore reject the math outright and say the events are not independent and manifest out of thin air an SPIKE probability of 30/37 which is 81% hit rate on an actual 18/37 event probability.

    Using only addition I can add up the pockets and get 37. Only using addition I can divide 18 by 37. If I add 18 twice I get 36 and 1 left over to get to 37 as 18+18 +1 = 37. So I know the probability of getting a hit on 18/36 pockets is slightly less than a 1 in 2 chance.

    But you say its 30/37. We can see that 30 goes into 37 once, as 1×30 + 7 = 37. So your odds are more like 1 in 1+ 7/37.

    We have to abandon rational thought and indeed math with Spike and Jizzatron on the room.
     
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  11. SPIKE

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    Roulette completely resets itself after every spin. It is a new game with every single spin. The next outcome has nothing to do with the last outcome. Obviously the three games you mentioned are not like that at all.
     
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    Not only have I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever NEVER said that, I always always always always always say the polar opposite of that. And I say it over and over and over and over and over. The last outcome has absolutely no influence on the next outcome. None, zero, nada. Roulette is a game of completely independent events where the next spin is completely and totally independent from the last spin. You erroneously think that because I use past outcomes to make educated guesses about future outcomes that I think they are somehow connected. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact this is roulettes weak spot, that none of the events are connected to each other. Your pointy little math head will never understand this because the cult you belong to doesn't want to understand it.
     
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    What you said is very important. Especially this - "It is a new game with every single spin."
    Now say we take several guns and gave them to a professional shooter . How do you think - his results will be the same with every gun, or they will be different?
     
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    You want to appear to say that the past is irrelevant but still use the past events to make your "educated guesses" betting selection. What you're actually saying is that for your betting method, the PAST IS RELEVANT.

    Your bet selection which you claim gives you 80% strike rate uses the past to make "educated guesss" about the future and you claim those guesses are right 80% of the time. Right there you make the connection that the past predicts the future with an 80% strike rate using "educated guesses".

    Hand wave that away..
     

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    EXACTLY!! I make the connection in my mind, I make it up, my brain see's patterns that do not really exist. Humans do this all the time it's what separates us from other animals. We are pattern seekers whether the patterns are real or not. We connect random events even if the random events are not connectable. And because we can do this it's very exploitable under certain conditions. Your pointy-headed tiny math brain has to see everything in Black and White and real life is not that way at all. Now you will say oh no, it's magical and mystical what I'm claiming when it is nothing of the sort. You have no hope of ever understanding this so don't even try. The cult of math would drum you out of its ranks if you even attempted to understand it.
     
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    Machines use math to see and recognise patterns also everything from quality control to detecting cancer. In many respects they are better than humans and can detect subtleties and connections that humans can't. But it's math all the way down.

    The cult of math that has lifted us out of the mud and shit and now delivers you a quality of life and technology that in all honesty you have no hope to appreciate or understand as it is indestinghable from magic for someone with your education and understanding of science.

    Your arguments are one of mysticism against reason.

    What I find surprising is how your mind can simultaneously make the above statement that a connection from past to future exists in your mind whilst also maintaining that every bet is independent.

    You can't have it both ways unless you believe in mystical powers / precognition unless there is an element of mental illness at play. Some may say both cases are the just different perspectives of the same thing.

    How many SPIKE minds am I really up against here?
     
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    I see the question is too difficult :) ...
    So I will say myself - results will be different and probably even extremely...
    So this your confirm is right only if you play every spin - new wheel.
    If the player plays the same wheel in every spin and play long and the player is good - there are no new game in every spin :).
    The same as the good shooter can adapt to the bad gun at least on some level, the same good player can adapt to the wheel, and depending on fact how long he plays that wheel - his results will be better and better...
     
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    See that, I told you. The math zombies always declare everything they are incapable of understanding to be magical and mystical. Even though what I do works, to them it can't work therefore it doesn't work and I must be lying. It's fascinating, their cult minds have been so twisted and so indoctrinated that if it cannot be explained by math it's not real. They are religious zealots and don't even know it. Pretty funny.
     
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    Exactly. In order to actually get an 80% win rate the connections have to be there in reality, not just in your mind. If the connections only exist in your mind (apophenia) no edge is possible, and if they really exist outcomes wouldn't be independent and the game wouldn't be offered by casinos - it would have been cracked centuries ago. If Spike's claims are true the only possible explanation is precognition. :rolleyes:

    No math involved here, just simple logic. Spike's replies never have any substance and are merely ad hominems.
     
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    I'll share my understanding of what I think @SPIKE and @gizmotron mean by reading randomness.
    Past events do not influence future events, that's a fact.
    But the randomness is not perfect like in this example:
    01 20 05 26 09 22 03 28 07 24, here we see the perfect alternation between HIGH/LOW, BLACK/RED, ODD/EVEN.
    And this pattern is rare in roulette, that is, as there are 3 betting flows, the repetition of any of them for a few rounds is inevitable (The patterns), and what I think is the methodology here is to observe which pattern is forming and make a bet in favor of it.
    The issue of getting this choice right often is a luck factor, taking into account that past results do not influence future ones. But I do believe that you can be profitable in this method, if your goal is to make 1 or 2 units a day.
     
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