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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. TwoUp

    TwoUp Well-Known Member

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    There are some patterns that have lower waiting time, you should look into that.

    Whilst all patterns are equally likely when looked at from a stream perspective. If you take a block perspective and start the pattern matching process over again at the end of the previous match boundary, certain patterns will match faster and overall will occur more frequently than some others.

    So from a results stream perspective XXX or OOO are the worst and have a longer average waiting time to form vs some other patterns, but when they do occur any follow on X or O is another instance of the pattern. This is why we can have a situation where the probability and distribution counts for all patterns is equal on average but the initial waiting time for some patterns can be different.

    I suggest looking at Conway leading numbers to understand the relative probabilities and waiting times between different patterns. Also read up on Penney's game or Penney Ante.

    Simple example, XOO has higher probability to match vs OOO, as unless the first outcome is O, XOO beats OOO because it has a lower waiting time.

    Now if you re-start the pattern matching from scratch each time (the block mathcing approach) then you will get more occurances of the patterns with lower waiting time. The block paradigm means that XOO will have more matches in your play overall vs OOO.
     
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  2. Benas

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    David, there is no need to test strategies with pencil and paper. All you need to do is just write a simulator program that bets the same way you do.
    And load it with the data you use to make your bets.

    That way you can run millions of spins in a matter of minutes and see how well your system works, plus save a lot of time to play if you see that the system is a plus.

    All winners do exactly that.
    If you can't do it yourself, you can always find a student to do it for you cheaply.

    Data from real wheels is not a problem to get either, you don't even have to collect it yourself...
     
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    Yes, that is are some orders that - faster happened, and looks like logically better to play on it, but still, the results are the same.

    I thought about that much time but found only one pattern which gave benefit - natural distribution, which produces a Gaussian curve. This pattern always exists, only sometimes its benefit is so small, that almost has no effect...
    But by using something is possible to screw that Gaussian curve in such a way that it starts giving quite a good edge to the player...
     
  4. SPIKE

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    What is my betting strategy, exactly. You must know what it is if you know yours is better. Please, enlighten us. We know you have the trusty Martingale which is a tried-and-true betting system that's been around for well over a hundred years. Much has been written about it, in every list of betting systems the Martingale is always there. What could possibly go wrong.
     
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    I can tell you what the end result will look like. Lots and lots of wins but just enough monumental losses that the house will be ahead in the end. His betting strategy is not unique, he has made up a bunch of rules and expects random outcomes to follow his rules. It doesn't quite work that way.
     
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  6. SPIKE

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    The bell curve? This is useless in roulette, a waste of time.
     
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    I found that email provider to be unreliable with too many outages, so I deleted the account.
     

  8. Median Joe

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    Learning to "read the random" could only be a skill if it outcomes weren't random. There's no point in learning how to shoot if the target is constantly moving randomly and the next movement is independent of the last. No amount of practice will help you if there aren't some predictable elements in the outcomes, which you admit (and I agree) there aren't.

    Of course nobody can prove that you DON'T in fact win 80% of your bets, but the issue is that your arguments to persuade us that you can are contradictory nonsense. You would be more coherent if you admitted that outcomes aren't independent, because that's the only way practice, study, observation, etc could make a difference. And even if this was the case, it still wouldn't be correct to say what you're doing is a skill, in the sense that shooting is a skill that you need to practice. If outcomes weren't independent all you need to do is identify which patterns are followed by other patterns at a higher rate than probability dictates, and you have your system. Get it coded into a bot then sit back and watch the profits roll in. No skill or practice is henceforth needed.
     
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    Of course it's useless for someone who doesn't know maths.
     
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    Shows how ignorant you are. I'm happy you believe what you do as I wouldn't want you here.
     
  11. TwoUp

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    If it's a guess the best it can get over any significant period of time is 18/37 or 18/38 for your double zero scumbag wheel.
     
  12. SPIKE

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    You were just proving the point I made earlier that you people are terrified of the word 'random'. There are different shades of random and some of it you can read. Roulette only has 37 or 38 possible outcomes and these outcomes repeat themselves endlessly. Yeah, I know, there are billions and trillions of possible combinations but I'm only interested in the ones that repeat constantly and that I can read. Gizmo has an entire thread about this, have any of you even read it? The outcomes in roulette go in and out of phases and when the phases are playing my games I can bet and when they're not I don't play. Why is this so hard to grasp. I feel like I'm giving you people something important and all you can think to do is shit on it. Your loss is my entertainment. I feel like Galileo trying to convince the Catholic Church that the sun does not revolve around the Earth and being called a heretic and a lunatic for thinking that way.
     
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    It doesn't give you any real advantage and by that I mean it doesn't give you a big advantage which is all that counts. I know you people think if you could just get a 55% hit rate you be king of the pile but I can tell you from experience you need a hell of a lot bigger than that if you want to beat the game on a regular basis.
     
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    I wouldn't want to be there you put all your people in their early 70's in nursing homes. Why else would you think I'm in one. In this country people in their early seventies are still thriving, still contributing to society. Australia sounds like an awful place to live. I visited there once and I thought the heat was going to kill me. Yuck.
     

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    If your betting randomly against random outcomes like most moron roulette players. I obviously do not do that. I'm very very picky and choosy about when I bet as I've said a hundred times. I do not bet randomly therefore your stupid math means nothing to me. You are making an error in judgment, you are assuming that random outcomes force you to make random bets. Once you learn to read the random and understand the phases the random outcomes go through you learn when to bet and when not to bet. All it takes is time and practice neither of which greedy compulsive gamblers are willing to give. Including you.
     
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    You're probably talking about hitting half a wheel here?
    I think - if I did that, I'd be averaging maybe more hits...
    You're talking about how tough you are anyway (80% of hits)...
    However, it can all be very easy to demonstrate and prove.
    All you have to do is take part in a little experiment - just play against my wheel.
    I did such with not one from the forums and several times have even done that direct in the forum.

    Maybe you like to try it?
     
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    What's in it for me? Yeah, that's what I thought. I do not need to prove anything to you because you pay me nothing. The casino on the other hand always pays me immediately. You act like I care what you think. Get it through your thick head I do not care what you think, why would I. Who the hell are you to me. You are a nobody.
     
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    Hitting half a wheel has nothing to do with anything. Red black, odd even, who cares. You are way too limited in your thinking. You have built a little box for yourself and now you're trapped in it. Good luck with that.
     
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    So basically, you're admitting that you believe outcomes aren't independent after all (at least, not always). That's the only way your claims can make any sense.
     
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    Stand proud in your ignorance we don't want you here.

    Australia has an exceptionally high quality of living. The health of your citizens pales in comparison.

    Covid mortality rate here 275 per million vs 3000 for the USA. Fuckin shameful.

    Life expectancy here 83, in the USA 76. Fuckin shameful.

    Median wealth of individuals is the highest in the world $191k vs $127k for the USA. Both the median and the average wealth is highest in the world with the most equitable distribution of wealth in the world. Averages household wealth is $1 million vs $121k in the USA. Fuckin shameful.

    Study after study lists Australia in the top countries for quality of life.

    Sorry, not sorry, about the statistics, I know you hate math.
     

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