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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. Median Joe

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    Sure. We have learned that we must study past outcomes which are independent and at the same time can be used to predict future outcomes. The outcomes form patterns which don't exist. With practice, and by making up a game in our heads we can use these non-existent patterns to guess what's coming next at a rate of 80%.

    This information is of incalculable value. We are indeed blessed to have such wise counsel here on this little forum.
     
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    Wow, new self delusions based not on objectivity but constructs in ones mind.
     
  3. TwoUp

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    And us mathBoyz are also called mathZombies. Not sure what that is but the mythBoyz do believe in mystical things so an imaginary living dead person doing calculus is an actual thing.

    Yes the stream approach you will get an equal distribution of patterns. If you instead choose patterns with a shorter wait time (based on Conway number) and reset the matching, the series of streaks like XXXXXO or OOOOOX will be broken to XXX, XXO and OOO, OOX instead of being 5 back to back matches on XXX or OOO.

    Clearly OXX has a high probability to match before XXX because if the first result is not X, OXX will always match before XXX. OXX will also beat XXX if you don't get the full XXX right off the bat. So there is literally a 1/8 chance for XXX to beat OXX and a 7/8 chance for OXX to beat XXX. By breaking up the stream into blocks as I've shown the nemises XXX pattern will match less than OXX, we will see 7 OXX patterns match for every XXX.
     
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    Spike is nothing but a losing, lying troll.
     
  5. Median Joe

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    In truth, it only works half the time. TwoUp has mentioned Penney's game and the Conway algorithm a few times, and it's very interesting. But I don't see how it can be profitably applied to gambling. Whatever pattern (triple) your opponent chooses the algorithm enables you to pick another triple which guarantees that your pattern arrives first at least 2/3 of the time. So let's suppose our opponent is the wheel and the last 3 EC outcomes is the triple "chosen" by the wheel. e.g. RBBRBRR has appeared and the last 3 outcomes are BRR. According to the algorithm we should pick RRB, and this pattern will appear before the next occurrence of BRR with a probability of 2/3. Knowing this doesn't do us much good, because the casino doesn't pay us for guessing that one pattern will appear before another, but only when we successfully predict the next single outcome. And even though we can pick our bets to ensure that RRB occurs before BRR, that in itself doesn't make this series of outcomes any more likely or come sooner in an absolute sense (only in a relative sense).
     
  6. SPIKE

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    Actually that's what happens quite often. People who have really expensive cars don't park them anywhere because they're afraid of them being stolen or somebody damaging them. You see it all the time with foreign sports cars. When's the last time you saw a Lamborghini at a Walmart parking lot.
     
  7. SPIKE

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    It's a computer that doesn't care, it only records.
     

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    All the time, they're just too ignorant to see it. They laugh it off. Good for them, ignorance is its own worst punishment.
     
  9. SPIKE

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    LOL I thought the same thing.
     
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    It can't, it's rubbish as far as gambling is concerned.
     
  11. SPIKE

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    Wrong, I never predict anything, I'm not a weatherman. I make educated guesses based on the relationships of past outcomes to each other and on my study and observation of past outcomes.
     
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    Yes I had that same thinking process, as we the player are effectively Player I.

    But I read a paper that considers what is the optimal choice for Player I given Player II chooses optimally, and secondly what if Player II chooses their pattern randomly. What advantage could Player I get?

    The paper provided the following table for different sequence lengths considering optimal vs random choice for Player II.

    Screenshot_20220614-213655_Drive.jpg

    As we see for sequences of length 5, the second player (wheel) choosing randomly is under 50% (46.5%).

    Notably there are only 2 optimal patterns for Player I.

    You might find the following paper an interesting read: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2107.06952
     
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  13. SPIKE

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    What, you never learn anything by posting here? That's right, you can't because you already know everything. LOL
     
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    You must because you constantly mention magic and clairvoyance and precognition as an alternative when you cannot explain something. I never do that, Gizmo never does that only you superstitious mathboyz do.
     

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    And that's the reason real winners never put on exhibitions of their skill. They paid too dearly to acquire it.

    So coffin save method..

    What have You invested (moneywise) before you came to the conclusion, that this method could be a Winner.
     
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    OK, then let's do this experiment - I'll show you how I play - i.e. bets, and you demonstrate your ability to steal my method. Let's see what you got. :)
     
  17. SPIKE

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    It has always been a winner right from the first time I started using it. It's never been a loser. My hit rate just got better and better and better the more I played.
     
  18. SPIKE

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    Why would I possibly care how you play. I already have a winning method, I'm not interested in another one. Also if yours is so great why are you so desperate to find another one. Isn't one enough?
     
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    It's not about what you're interested in and what you're not.
    The point is that it is not possible to steal a method just by looking at the game or the stakes.

    And you can look at my game for hours and still not understand anything...
    You can only understand a method if you know how it works...

    And you avoid all contact not because you are afraid of being stolen, but because you understand that you have nothing to show...
     
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    My is so great? Why do you think so?
    If you have eaten one apple, do you never want another?
     
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