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Roulette Elegant patterns

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Winner, Aug 11, 2022.

  1. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    No, I see it a lot of times in the game of baccarat. If I played more roulette, I would see more of it there as well. It's not that hard to take advantage of as long as you have the ability to spot it. Granted, you don't spot it early because it takes time to develop but it becomes unmissable later on and then it's just a case of will it continue or not. What do you lose to find out, actually, next to nothing because it either continues or not.

    This is why people say they were going great guns with a bet selection for a week and then it stopped working. Something stops working because something else replaces it and that something that replaces it can then go on appearing for a long time itself before that gets replaced with something else. Don't be a one trick pony because like I said in my follow up post, you will leave the casino scratching your head wondering what the hell happened.
     
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  2. SPIKE

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    All patterns become unmissable later on when you learn how to spot them but you also never know when they're going to end because they never end the same way twice. I hope you're not referring to me as leaving the casino scratching my head wondering what happened because I always know what happened. You are the one I'm wondering about. You spotted a pattern and you took advantage of it, this time. Who hasn't done it. It's learning when the outcomes are playing your game and when they're not that's important. Anybody can follow a pattern, it's knowing which ones not to follow that separate the winners from the losers.
     
  3. baccarou

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    I am talking in general terms. Do you know how many people come up to me in a casino and tell me how the wheel is fixed and they have a secret computer or use magnets. :D Like you said, patterns are unmissable when you learn them but some players have a very limited repertoire.

    So here is one from the Baccarat table the other day and this is an 'elegant pattern' but one with a twist and yet it's common (not in the composition of the hands themselves) but in the sense they happen in all kinds of different ways frequently.

    B
    P
    B
    P
    P

    P
    B
    P
    B
    B

    B
    P
    B
    P
    P

    P
    B
    P
    B
    B

    Anyone care to take a guess?
     
  4. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    My guess would be maybe one person did this and you've exaggerated it into many people doing it. Why would they come up to you and say this who the hell are you. Why would even one person say this to you. Do you wear a sign that says roulette expert on it? I have changed my guess from one person doing this to nobody ever doing it.
     
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  5. baccarou

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    Here is a news flash for you! Most people lose and lose badly and it pisses them off because I imagine for a lot of them, it's money they can't afford to lose and so yes, I get it often once they have lost their money and still mooching around looking for a handout because I am still sitting there with money in the machine. They either tell you how it's all fixed or they try and tell you what's coming next like they are now the expert gambler.

    What you maybe don't understand about casinos here in the UK is that they aren't some giant hotel with huge floor space and hundreds of table games / machines. At my local, there are 3 roulette tables, a baccarat table, blackjack table, sic bo machine, big 6 electric wheel and around 30-40 slot machines all crammed on one floor and so it's pretty hard to avoid the gambling degenerates who see anybody still playing as a potential meal ticket once they have done all their dosh in. The casino don't care, they have their cash and probably hope you will get distracted enough to lose all yours as well.

    Actually, it makes me think that you (SPIKE) don't even gamble (not anymore anyhow) and like others have said, you are just an internet troll with how many 10's of thousands of posts rambling shit! Mr 80%.....that's right, 80% bullshit! :D
     
  6. gizmotron

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    I disagree. The topic is perfect patterns. So the first loss is the indicator that the pattern has ended.

    Now if you are exploiting singles on the week side by hitting the strong side hard then two losses in a row ends the perfect pattern. I wiped out the casino near San Diego when the same 18 numbers went on a four day domination excursion. They wanted to know if I had eidetic memory. I quoted to a dealer something that he said that was trivial from the day before. The casino listed me as playing a genius game. A beautiful girl from the concierge desk came up to me at the 80 seat stadium Roulette game and said, and I quote: "If there is anything that you want, anything, just ask." I could only think of one thing but didn't say.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I didn't read all of the sections and noticed right away that it inverts but keeps the same formation. I'll look further now. I almost never look at charts that are not done in my own preferred style.

    yep, it inverts.
     
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  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Spike. What you are suggesting is more to a person that projects their own experiences and perceptions. I don't think you successfully nullified his own experience and observations. So it begs the question on perfect patterns. Why are you adverse to using them?
     
  9. baccarou

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    That's it!

    But to be fair, somebody might not recognise when it's displayed in a B or P fashion.

    An easier way is as follows....

    B
    P D (different from above)
    B D (different from above)
    P D (different from above)
    P S (same as above)

    P
    B D
    P D
    B D
    B S

    B
    P D
    B D
    P D
    P S

    P
    B D
    P D
    B D
    B S

    So that D,D,D,S is much more easily recognisable in my opinion than seeing B or P especially when it inverts.
    I have seen shoes where something like this will happen 5 or 6 times throughout half a shoe. It's something to have as part of your game.
    A lot of the good stuff is happening under the surface and it just needs scratching a little bit deeper so that you can recognise it and take advantage. What often looks like a bag of trash on the surface can in fact be a very long lasting elegant pattern.
     
  10. Winner

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    I have seen this one ?
    ..0..o..o..o..o..o.o.
     
  11. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I depend on visual dexterity. I'm a trend and pattern hunter. I only have about 15 to 45 seconds to start placing bets from the time that it is safe to look away from the dealer. Dealers make mistakes. They rake winning bets.

    Here:

    Code:
    | B  P |
    | X    |
    |    X |
    | X    |
    | X    |
    | X    |
    |    X |
    |    X |
    |    X |
    | X    |
    | X    |
    | X    |
    
    
    You can see patterns and trends by looking down a chart.

    BTW, it's a short lived swarm of triples.
     
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  12. Proofreaders2000

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    Flat-bet the first even-chance to hit six times.
    (stop when in profit) :)
     
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  13. SPIKE

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    To be honest I have no idea what an elegant or perfect pattern is. To me they're just patterns, some go on longer than others but that doesn't matter to me. I'm only trying to make one unit, the pattern can go on forever and I would ignore it after I made my unit. In a brick-and-mortar casino I'm there to make a modest goal and after I make the goal I leave even if the pattern were to go on for another four hours I wouldn't care. I am much more concerned with having the highest hit rate possible then I am and making money off of fluke patterns. Because having a precision hit rate is a guarantee of making money, any other way of playing is just gambling and gambling never has interested me because there's nothing precise about it. I need to win every single session I play or I'm not interested in playing. If you have that as your goal it's amazing how much sloppiness in your play you can eliminate. I look at it the same way I look at a and all you can eat buffet. I'm there to eat a certain number of calories and after I hit my goal I couldn't care less about all that food that I could have eaten and chose not to. It's not part of my goal.
     
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    @SPIKE your bet selection would still be conformed around a pattern repeating or not.it could be from 11 spins ago but to make a reading it has to come from somewhere.
     
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  15. Nathan Detroit

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    @ Winner, Reading the table is what counts . Some players prefer the past 18 results others

    are interested in the past 6 results . For One hit they do not require a pattern.
     
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  16. Nathan Detroit

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    To be blunt is the table in our favor for a possible bet .
     
  17. Winner

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    Then like I’ve. Been saying for years roulette is simple its red or black pick one .
     
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    Luck is when preparation meets opportunity . ( Lucious Seneca ,author )
     
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    The 6 numbrt check gives me the the signal to buy in at this table or not .
     
  20. Proofreaders2000

    Proofreaders2000 Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It just dawned on me an 'elegant pattern' may be the
    most reoccurring short-term pattern over thousands of spins.

    It would also take a simulator to analyze that number in a timely fashion.

    My question is would that pattern emerge on any
    wheel? (American, European)? Different wheel brands?
     
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