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When you see trends on the derived roads, they do not correlate to what's going on on the Main Road.

Only when there is a LONG dragon tail, you see the same on all of the derived roads; otherwise you cannot make heads or tails out of what's going on the derived roads in comparison to the Main Road.

Below is one example of a long trend on a derived road (Cockroach Pig) of a single chop run. It's 10 single chops, but you don't see anything remotely close on the Main Road.

Obviously, you know after the fact that it's 10 single chops, but the way I would bet is wait for at least 3 to occur and I start following it until it loses 2 in a row. With Punkcity, I believe he would quit if it loses once after winning a bunch in a row. On that run, I would be up 7 units before whatever happens on the last hand which is not shown in the picture.

There is no way you could win 7 in a row betting based on the Main Road.

 

Pony up some cake to make it worths my while and come at me with legit hand dealt result and I'll prove my style, tough guy, hey hey!

 

I tested a style, based on the Barstow theory and it showed consistent profit buckin up against 23, 000 tested shoe. I never did play it for real cake cuz of it's volatilities and get more bang for my buck usin the bets flat style what I come up with, hey hey.

 

At least you are flat betting which I noticed is one of the musts if you want to win consistently in baccarat.

Sure, you can bet big and win big, but from what I'm seeing at all these $100 minimum tables for the past couple of months, anyone who is varying their bets aren't faring too well overall especially when they are chasing. The reason behind it is rather obvious that if you lose the big bets and win the small bets, it's going to take a lot higher win strike rate to recoup the losses. I see too many of these happening at the live tables.

The concept of bet the minimum when losing and bet more when winning doesn't quite register with a lot of these gamblers including myself and I'm doing what I can to fix it.

My sister-in-law who came to visit from Montreal for a week last week and rarely gambles gets the concept.

Among the 3 sisters, she wins consistently whenever they go to casinos together and it's because she bets bigger when she is doing well and either she bets the minimum or leaves the table when things are rough. It's the most simple concept in gambling that people cannot master.

Most people who are losing will just sit there and bet bigger instead of just leaving the table.

 

Lol...

 

My last couple of posts were just reviews from some strangers on the internet. I don't really have a fixed view on the derived roads. If they work for people, that's great. I can see why people like them because in a sense, you have a lot more info at your fingertips without having all the extra effort at the table of coming up with your own interpretation of things. On saying that, if you already have something that works well, then why change it.

 

Yes, you are right. If you are willing, I would like to know exactly what your bet selection criteria is if you have one and see if they make sense to me.

Below is a picture I took at Borgata this morning.

Do you see that long blue dragon tail on the Cockroach Pig board?

I would have followed it after 3, so that's 9 wins in a row minus 1 when it flipped netting +8 units.

If you would look at the Main Road, there is nothing that remotely resembles what you see in the Cockroach Pig board.

 

''There is no way you could win 7 in a row betting based on the main raid.''

You can and there are different ways of doing it. To be pedantic, you have to use the main road to get to the derived roads or any other interpretation of it.

My personal style has a winning run from hands 6 through to 13 (I wouldn't be on the start however at hand 6 and would naturally lose on hand 14)

There is another run from hands 13 through to 22 (again, I wouldn't be on the start at hand 13)

I run my own kind of derived roads and have 6 of them including the main road. Works a treat and looks more balanced to me but then as the creator, why wouldn't it? I don't think there is that much difference between winning baccarat strategies. It's having real time information and jumping on it whilst working and backing off when it stops and so it's not really rocket science when you have it but getting to that point takes some hard graft and imagination.

 

@baccarou

When I said "There is no way you could win 7 in a row betting based on the Main Road.", I was referring to only the sequence on the Main Road that corresponds to the long dragon tail blue sticks on the Cockroach Pig road in the beginning, so that would be hand numbers from 7 to 18.

Since I would have started betting only after 3 repeated pattern, that would be hands from 10 to 18 before losing 1 at 19. I don't see how you could predict 7 in a row on those hands on the Main Road.

Hands 10 to 18 are PBPPBBPPP, you have to predict PBPPBBPP exactly and I don't see how that's possible, but perhaps your system does that and if it does then that would be pretty amazing.

In the end, it's easier after the fact so I have no idea if this thing will pan out for me but hopefully I will find out sooner than later so I can make up my mind about whether to continue with baccarat or not.

 

Yep, sorry, I see what you mean!

With hands 10-18, (PBPPBBPP) all you are really doing there is taking advantage of the terrible 2's early. It's possible as long as you have a mechanism to recognise it as soon as possible.

I get what you are saying about things are easier after the fact and I totally agree. If I was to start playing the derived roads, I would likely mess it all up until I got the hang of things and could hopefully use them to my advantage. Similarly with my roads, there was a lot of trial and error until I could make them fairly easy to read and act in harmony. Imagine if you had to write the derived roads down and then figure it all out. I am not even sure if that could be done and likely not at the stadium baccarat.

Trying to impart information on a forum like this is difficult because things often get derailed quickly. It would be more so for something complex and therefore possibly a waste of time and energy. PunkCity did a good job with his thread spreading the info out and posting consistently.

I was contemplating starting a dedicated thread to trip reports similar to the way Junket King used to do it, I liked his style and his posts along with the photos showed that at the very least, he was a bona fide player. I am having some house renovations at the moment and once they are all completed around mid-september, I will be back at the casinos and giving them some strife and will report back.

Take it easy.

 

Really not trying to be hypercritical but there was the same streak forming in the Small Road that ultimately ended at four.

Chasing streaks after 3 in a row in the derived roads (assuming for argument's sake that you were able to bet all of them ... some are probably duplications) you had -13 for the 3-streaks, even for the 4-streaks, +1 for the 5-streak, then +8 for the 12-streak. So you are -4 even before you subtract all the banker commission during the betting which brings it down even further.

You really would have done better just betting against any streak after 3, sort of in the realm of what Soxfan does. Just trying to give you some perspective.

 

Junket King TR were very interesting, His 100 % win goal very stressful and time consuming .

 

First, thanks for trying to help. I do appreciate that.

It's too bad that not everyone is like you on this forum. I wouldn't think being civil is too difficult to do, but it's just not the case for some.

It looks to me like people on the baccarat threads are more civil, but who the heck knows since I probably haven't read enough of the different threads to see if that's true or not. They have some crazy shit going on with a blackjack thread and I was there just briefly. I might go back there if I need some comedic relief.

They are basically calling baccarat a voodoo some shit probably because they haven't figured out what edge they can have like card counting for blackjack. Then, they are talking about some bullshit AP slotting and such, which I have heard before on another forum. Yeah, I can probably make $20 if that walking around all day in casinos for something that's not even guaranteed or even exists at all. And yet, I'm seeing claims that they won tons of money doing it. Yeah, casinos are stupid and giving away money to AP'ing slots. What a bunch of losers.

I consider all slot players lifetime LOSERS except for maybe a few who may have hit the big enough jackpot. Also, unless they are playing the high limits since their payout rate isn't as bad as the lower limit bets, how could you possibly win? Betting big isn't the answer since you could lose so fast before you even hit anything. I've seen some YouTube videos with people betting up to $250 or even more per spin and one poster was honest enough to post losing sessions and not just the winning ones. Sure, they will win some jackpots, but they most likely lose more of the big ones that they become a loser over the life time. They should just hand over the money to the casinos and don't even bother touching the machines because in the end it's the same results playing slots IMHO.

I will see if someone from there comes over to this thread and start chiming in. If they do, then they really have nothing better to do in their lives.

They also believe without the edge like the card counting, it's 100% not possible to win playing baccarat or any other games in casinos. Obviously, they haven't met my dad or some top pros on here who I think are winning consistently and most likely at a rate of $ wins that's much higher than playing blackjack.

They should not knock it before learning what Punkcity had to offer and give it a try. It looked to me like JacobBlaze was doing well based on his posts of winning trips. Not sure what he is up to now since he hasn't been here for a bit.

There are some nut jobs over there really.

Anyway, I'm not saying I'm solely looking for 3 downs in a row in order for me to start betting on it.

It's any obvious repeating patterns, whether it be single chops, double chops, 1-2's, 3-3's, or whatever in any of the boards; Main Road, Big Eye Boy, Small Road, and Cockroach Pig. If I can net a certain consecutive units and lose then I quit. Sometimes, I would bet the same that I lost on and quit if it loses again. If it wins, then I may or may not continue all depends on how much I have won at the momen.

In other words, to me something has to repeat itself at least 3 times or may be even more to be considered a repeating pattern or a trend.

Also, which road has the repeating pattern or trend is subjective to whoever is looking at the boards as the trend could be going on at different boards and you have to choose which one to follow. If they are both pointing to the same side then it's easier to decide but that isn't the case all the time.

If I'm wrong on the board I picked, then I rescan and start following whichever has the next highest trend.

Having said all that, I would have followed blue in Small Road after 3 that would win +1 before flipping which makes it 0 but I would bet the same once which then I'm back to +1. If I lost, then I stop and rescan at -1.

Then the other streaks are either Big Eye Boy or Cockroach Pig at 4 red donuts or 4 blue sticks. I would have to pick one and I picked Big Eye Boy, then I'm now either 0 or -2. Cockroach Pig continued its trend, so I would have to follow that next. That trend would net +6 since +7 before flipping for -1.

At that point, either I stop and take what I won or restart looking.

Lately, I'm beginning to realize that there are more of the single chops in any of the boards with hiccups of doubles, triples, and even quads.

If there are enough of the singles, all I have to do is bet as if it's a continuous single chop, i.e. keep on betting the opposite of what just won even if it runs into doubles, triples, or whatever.

All singles are winners. All doubles are a wash, All triples are 1 loss and all quads are -2's.

If there are enough of the singles in any of the boards, you come out ahead.

I see now why Punkcity said his preference is the chops; whether he meant single chops or any other types of chops, I don't know.

I need to stop writing these long posts and just go play and see what happens.

I'm a chicken in gambling and a very cautious player so when I don't like what I see, I try my best to just walk away. If I was really good at that concept, then I'm sure I would be a life time winner in casino gambling.

 

Thanks for pointing that out by the way.

Are you winning consistently playing baccarat?

I can see how one can win consistently playing blackjack by card counting and anything else that might give an extra edge playing that game. But, from what I recall, even the MIT blackjack team busted out eventually, so card counting isn't a fool proof method to win all the time with blackjack. Besides, I don't know how many AP are winning 6 figures a year which I would have to do to make up what I'm earning working a job if I quit to become a permanent BJ player.

What Punkcity has won in 6 months would be more of incentive for me to give that a try.

Even if I could achieve only 10% of his winnings per month, I would be satisfied. If I started winning consistently, I don't know if I would be brave enough to ever get to $500 minimum player.

I see a guy who does that, i.e. plays with the purple chips only at Borgata and he flat bets all the time. From what I can see, he is not doing too well, but his bankroll is only like 20 units at the most which I would think is enough unless it should be 50 units like what Punkcity said.

That young man does not bet all the time, but the last few times I have seen him, he lost quite a bit of his bankrolls.

Also, he is definitely not using the trends on the derived roads as when I clearly see a trend he wasn't betting it but betting the opposite. Sometimes he does bet the trend, so I have no clue what he is looking to decide what he bets on.

 

It is a relatively anonymous internet forum so I could pretend to never lose but I will be honest instead.

I have the knowledge to win but have a tendency to go on tilt. I would say I am a improving work in progress. For example in 2019 I won a decent amount of money for the year. 2020 was a disaster which I chronicled here because I promised Nathan Detroit that I would. Last year was a loser, about equal to my 2019 win. This year has been very good, almost wiping out my 2020 loss. So I guess right now I am breaking even but improving.

I should be able to win every year but need work on my emotions, discipline and focus.

You have been asking about the winners here. My best guess is Junket King, Carlo Darlo, Punkcity, Jimske, Myrtle Jones, Jae, cps10, Soxfan. Some could be exaggerating, though. So who knows? I should be in that group and maybe I am now. I just need to control my demons, lol.

 

One of the top US gurus recommended forget black jack go for Baccarat .

 

There are ways to be a consistent winner in a casino.

It is soooooo easy to win or break even .

 

That's funny because blackjack players think the totally opposite.

They think baccarat is some voodoo shit probably because they cannot get some type of edge like the card counting. LOL

 

Well, I don't know about it being so easy, but I would like to think it's possible with baccarat.

According to KewlJ, who is an AP, it's 100% impossible to win mathematically in casinos without an edge. Card counting specifically for blackjack.

So, it's not possible to win "long-term" in any other games like baccarat but blackjack.

Who knows, he could be right.

I want to know 100% of what Punkcity knows, so I can give it a whirl. I want my wife to stop working and that's my main goal. Whether that's sufficient enough of a reason to make it a success, I don't know.

 

I've now asked a couple of times, but I'm not getting an answer back.

How do you like a post?

Is that an option for certain posters?

I've look at everything on the screen, but I just don't see the option to like a post.

Can someone please tell me? Thanks.