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Baccarat Follow the Last anyone?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Sep 7, 2022.

  1. JacobBlaze

    JacobBlaze Active Member

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    Thanks,


    Play all shoe quit when you are tired or bored to death.

    I find it hard not to take defensive measures when losing or when i lose 5,6,7+ in a row. The last time I played this i was up about +7 thru 5 shoes then the last shoe as I was getting tired I lost 9 in a row and shoe ended, so that day i ended up about -2 ($200) plus commission so its really irritating.


    Yes you do need to play in certain areas of casinos here and in Vegas (bellagio, mirage, venetian) in the VIP areas have $100 minimum unlimited free hands and 5% commission on banker wins. Online I saw many casinos that u can just play whenever u want, but some time you time out wich sucks for this style, I don't play online but soxfan does.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/betting-flat-quest-for-an-holy-grail.20452/page-15

    Read that thread for the motivation behind this style.

    I believe his #s and testing but it's really hard to implement but if I was a robot I would do it lol
     
  2. soxfan

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    Do you have the pre-cognition or e.s.p to KNOW exactly at what point you are DUE to win, hey hey????
     
  3. soxfan

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    No, you absolutely do NOT have to wager every hand online, hey hey!!!!
     
  4. Rz10000

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    That varies with the online casinos. Many that I have played will not generate a hand without a bet. You can choose to play both hands for a wash as long as you are not playing thru bonus money (they frown upon that). I see no reason that you would play live online dealers if you are grinding (pace would slow you down drastically).
    There minimums are mostly $1. If your are playing $25 or greater than there is no problem. If you are flat betting then your money should be a lot larger (like $1,000). If you are progressive then you are in trouble anyways. So you have to clarify your statement for me. I by no means have played all the online casinos in the U.S. and right now I have no reason to play the European casinos unless I create a pool as I do not use VPN's (to risky to get paid). So please explain which onlines you are referring to exactly.
     
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  5. JacobBlaze

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    In the spirit of soxpuppet....

    That shoe would have clipped me for -4.05 units and I would've been bored to death especially since the bacarat zombies would be slowly squeezing every hand in those long runs, and the table would get full with and spectators would also be betting from behind grinding the shoe to 2 + hour affair... Craps would have been faster unless there's a hot shooter lol
     
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  6. JacobBlaze

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    Thats probably true I guess you are playing RNG and not live dealer

    I guess from reading your posts you Believe in rng and that it is not rigged,

    You play on betonline and bovada rng?

    What do you think of the "provably fair" system the crypto casinos use to show u that their rng is fair?
     
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  7. JacobBlaze

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    Provably Fair


    Solving the Trust Issue with Online Gambling
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    The commitment scheme is used to ensure that the player has an influence on all results generated. Cryptographic hashing is used to ensure that the casino also remains honest to this commitment scheme. Both concepts combined creates a trust-less environment when gambling online.

    This is simplified in the following representation:




    fair result = operators input (hashed) + customers input





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  8. Rz10000

    Rz10000 Active Member

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    As I said before I used to heavily vet a casino but with the a US state Gaming Boards I do not have that fear anymore. I usual start out with a $2K test investment and then let my design run. Then once there is profit which I expect daily then I have no fear of rigged software. Two days of running will answer that. My real concern is will I be able to get my monies out easily and quickly. Once that is in place then I will send a larger amount to actually work with. I usually feel safe within $5M table pass thru before I have to search for another casino.
    As for the present software the online I am at is using PlayNet, which has been excellent. Quick and easy to use.
    Because of the way the AI software interacts with random patterns I am given exact decisions in a lot of cases. It would not take me more than an hour to know that something is wrong. Every loss that I acquire makes the next decision more accurate. If I cannot get control of it within a full day then I know there is a problem going into the second day with their software. A rigged game would show up very quickly.
    I have not gone to any of the crypto casinos. I do not chase bonus money. I will stay with one until it is time to leave and move on to the next one.
     
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  9. fathead

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    So you use a bot to play for you?
     
  10. Rz10000

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    I will look at the Stake Casino. What states are they geo-linked to?
    Also I always like to see their gaming tables. If its design is poor then it makes it very easy to make mistakes in chip value or placement.
    Thank you for the info.
     
  11. Rz10000

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    No, I take the output decision from the machine and manually place the betting. I like the control. Also I like to keep the human interaction.
    I do let the machine input the results directly to make the next decision.
     
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  12. JacobBlaze

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    I.dont play there i think it's in Canada, it was just the first site that came up with the provably fair thing

    I have seen Drake the rapper wager and win 100s of thousands on there on YouTube videos just search drake gambling stake blackjack etc
     
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  13. JacobBlaze

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    So flat bet and ur machine tells you when to bet once input results... Interesting
     
  14. Rz10000

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    I see stake casino is not available in the U.S.
     

  15. Rz10000

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    Not quite, I am not flat betting. When the AI's output decision has a low rating then I am just buying a hand, so I play my minimum which is 1 unit. Then higher rated decisions move the unit value up. Maximum being 15 units. Each decision comes with a betting value. It has nothing to do with winning or loosing the previous decision. You never know when the AI will lock on to a highest value decision. It might find 8 in a 100 hands or only 1, so there are a lot of 2 thru 10 unit plays. Also I loose accuracy in long runs , over 8, so everything past that point would be 1 unit.
    I do not increase on a run I just wait for it to end. The AI might get aggressive on position 5 and 6 and then switch to the other side on position 8,
    other times it just runs the hands out. I really do not see what is going on inside the software. Their are billions of decision being made just for 1 hand. It would take a lifetime to read it let alone try to remember it. I get the output and manually place the decision and the amount.
     
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  16. Rz10000

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    It is weird. There are many times I look at the shoe and would never play the decision that the AI picks and especially if it is a high value play. But I do it. And it wins, then I just stare and shake my head. What even amazes me more is when it picks a player for 15 units and you land up with a 1 for the player and you know you lost and then the banker lands up with zero.
     
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  17. fathead

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    Wow, deja vu. I was in touch with programmer a while back who was working on a baccarat method that he said was doing well. I asked him what the bet selection was and he said he was not really sure, it was a black box that he came up with, probably too complicated to do manually. I wonder how many other people are doing this.
     
  18. soxfan

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    You come on here, right outta the gates sayin that progressions are worths-less, but, here, now you say you ain't bettin flat. So, if you ain't bettin flat you MUST be usin some progression even though you stated that progressions are worths-less! So I'm just gonna disregard anything you have to say going forwards, as you just talk bulls-shits, nonsenses and follishness, hey hey.
     
  19. Rz10000

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    I will try to explain, if you care, I am not trying to offend you.
    Each decision placed has a bet value attached to it based on how a piece of AI software rates the accuracy of that decision.
    It does not try to make up for previous wrong decisions with larger bets.
    It could loose a 10 unit bet and fire 4-3 unit bets in the next 4-decisions or any combination.
    Each bet is individual it is flat betting but with 11 different levels of bets.
    The amount of the bet is not chosen based on a previous bet.
    It is based on the accuracy of the new decision.
    As far as progressions go you look at how they lose and can that event happen and then how many times. loss against profit.
    From what I understand you flat bet so you must know this already.
    I truly hope this clears up any confusion.
    Any difficulties are due to my inability to explain myself properly.
     
  20. soxfan

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    You can try to spin it if you like but if yer makin wager what vary between 3 to 4 to 10 unit then guess what; yer usin the PROGRESION", hey hey!
     

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