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Roulette double dozen/column progression

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by 5pinn, Oct 15, 2022.

  1. Georgie

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    Yes Sir, I'm interested. I think Double Dozens are where the smart money is too.

    How are you doing that?

    Thanks
     
  2. Punkcity

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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    Really?

    Which quote is the lie ? This one above or the next one below?


    You can’t except the readers here to be so stupid as to not be able to remember what was said on one thread compared to comments made on another thread. This is not hillbilly Alabama.
    Someone hack your account?
    Pfttt another interverse hero. Rlmao.
     
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  3. riverboat winner

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    Okay I will post my dozens method, but most will say it's crazy, and it is, lol but it works for me.

    I have been doing this since the New Year started without a bust yet, but most will not be interested, it only makes me
    Around $1200.00 a month. and you will see the bankroll required below and you might even get a chuckle.

    I'm no expert roulette guy at all and live on a fixed income so the $1200 really helps, no lost bankrolls as of yet.

    I play from the Southwestern part of the USA online, through a VPN. I play at a live dealer table online that allows the bets as low as .10 for the dozen bet.

    All I do is wait for the same dozen to hit twice in a row and then I start my big boy progression.

    I learned from playing double dozen that many times the big 0 will knock you out and wipe you out. and the most I ever have seen of the same dozen in a row is 10 if you don't count the ones with 0's I have seen more.

    So I came up with this.
    after 2 of the same dozens in a row i start betting with the 3rd bet of betting there will NOT be 3 of the same dozen in a row, and start the
    big boy progression.

    first bet will be bet 3 for betting on 3 of the same dozens not hitting in a row

    then I just run the progression hoping to not see a pure 11 in a row of the same dozen with not counting 0's in a row so far haven't seen it.

    after 2 of the same dozens in a row:

    3. first bet

    .50 .50

    4. 1.50 1.50

    5. 5.00 5.00 and .30 cents on 0 if a loss total loss = $14.30

    6. $16.50 $16.50 and $1.5 on 0 if loss total loss = $48.8

    7. $54.5 $54.5 and $5.00 on 0 if loss total loss = $162.8

    8. $177.5 $177.5 and $15.00 on 0 if loss = $532.8

    9. $581 $581 and $48.00 on 0 if loss $1742.8

    10. $1900 $1900 and $160 on 0 if loss = $5702.00 or 11404 units.
    the end.

    lol, so far so lucky have made 2 more bankrolls and no busts. you could always mess around and do it for $1104.00 with .10 units to test it out if you got the balls, lol. yes i know a lot of work for making $5.00 an hour lol, but it's so easy I watch movies and surf the web while doing it, lol. i'm sure it will bust one day, but the questions is when? and I have my 2 extra br's already. peace out.
     
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  4. thereddiamanthe

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    Have you tried using two hits to finish after the 5th or 6th step?
    & later even 3 ..

    Btw, 13 consecutive spins have been seen.

    Plus a bit of made units pressed on the 2nd or 3rd hit if necessary to nominally profit → restart?
     
  5. 5pinn

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    I love you guys. You try very hard to beat this game. The only way to beat this game is hit and run. How is it with a correct progression? if you stay at the table any longer it will pull you in and you will be lost. don't fall into that bowl
     
  6. Georgie

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    That takes some balls, for sure. I'm glad it's been working for you. That first wipeout's going to sting though.

    Have you considered how "The Law of the Third" factors into your strategy? Perhaps targeting Dozens that have hit rather than Dozens that have not would be better.

    If you haven't seen it yet, Google: The Law of the Third 888casino
     
  7. Georgie

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    FWIW, I was just practicing with this progression, and went deep-stack 500 units on the low before recovering to a +138 unit win for the session. At one point I was at round 80 in a sequence, betting 160 units per bet climbing or of a deficit.

    More testing required. But now I know a minimum 500 unit buy-in is required for this.
     

  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Who is that cat kidding ? Bankroll $ 5oo.--

    Max expected win goal 20 %.

    20 % win goal can be achieved , 10 % i intelligent , and 5 % super intelligent .


    Know where the Bull shitters are.


    Wanna win 1 k bring 10 k.
     
  9. Nathan Detroit

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    What I posted is Reality .
     
  10. Georgie

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    I'm not trying to advocate for this. I'm just talking out loud and contributing ideas. As is, I don't like it. But the max goal isn't "20%". A guy could go as long as he wants with it netting 1 unit per spin.

    Theoretically, with 2 out of 3 wins on Double Dozens, this progression would work. On the 500 unit low I tested above, I followed a strict rule of "Follow the Dozen", with nothing else, just to test. With a smarter Bet Selection, improving the Hit Rate to at least 2 out of 3 or better, a momentum progression as I've described could be quite lucrative, 1 unit for every spin.

    Regardless of the merits of such a momentum progression on Double Dozens, 20% profit of the Bankroll on 1 gambling session sounds pretty good to me. I don't know about you. 20% doesn't mean that's a "MAX", it just means it's a stop-win walk amount. If I'm making 10 to 20% on 1 session, I'm pretty happy with it. If I can do that 5X per day, I've doubled my entire Bankroll.

    This momentum progression was really a Baccarat idea that I modified and adapted just for experimentation with Double Dozen Roulette. Someone else, possibly Bronson FX, had a Baccarat momentum progression idea that goes like this:

    Start with 100 unit Bankroll buy-in

    Bet 1 unit on Banker

    Win or lose, continue betting only Banker, increasing the bet 1 unit for every round until you've either busted the Bankroll or won 20 units.

    Then reset to 1 unit, and repeat the process for another 20 units (+40 total).

    Then reset to 1 unit, and repeat the process for another 20 units (+60 total).

    End session and walk.

    This works, a lot. I've been trying it out on Wizard of Odds. A bust requires just 2 sessions to recover.
     
  11. Nathan Detroit

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    Noticed a shift away from the EC , Dozens, and Columns .


    Same for myself more inside play.
     
  12. Georgie

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    Double Dozen Momentum Progression

    An example:

    1 1 L -2
    2 2 W 0
    3 3 W 3
    1 1 L 1
    2 2 L -3
    3 3 L -9
    4 4 L -17
    5 5 L -27
    6 6 L -39
    7 7 L -53
    8 8 L -69
    9 9 L -87
    10 10 L -107
    11 11 W -96
    12 12 W -84
    13 13 W -71
    14 14 W -57
    15 15 W -42
    16 16 W -26
    17 17 W -9
    18 18 W 9
    19 19 W 28

    As you can see from this example of the Double Dozen (DD) Momentum Progression I've been describing, in a game that has a 2 out of 3 win expectation, without even trying to Bet Select intelligently we can lose 10 straight spins then win the sequence with just 9 winning spins. We could even take a couple of losing ZERO spins in there and still succeed.

    In the foregoing example, the losses came early on when the bet size was smaller compared to later in the sequence. So, the challenge comes when there's a string of losses later in the sequence at larger bet sizes.

    Here's an example of losses later in the sequence. I think with a large enough bankroll, perhaps impractically big though, the sequence will correct with certainty, even with mechanical type Bet Selection.

    Here's how the sequence degenerates if the win/loss ratio is inverted, winning 1 out of 3:

    1 1 L 1
    2 2 L -3
    3 3 W 0
    4 4 L -8
    5 5 L -18
    6 6 W -12
    7 7 L -26
    8 8 L -42
    9 9 W -33
    10 10 L -53
    11 11 L -75
    12 12 W -63
    13 13 L -89
    14 14 L -117
    15 15 W -102
    16 16 L -136
    17 17 L -170
    18 18 W -152
    19 19 L -171
    20 20 L -191

    Now, if the win/loss ratio corrects back to expectation, winning 2 out of 3, the sequence wins in another 20 spins:

    21 21 W -170
    22 22 W -148
    23 23 L -171
    24 24 W -147
    25 25 W -122
    26 26 L -148
    27 27 W -121
    28 28 W -93
    29 29 L -122
    30 30 W -92
    31 31 W -61
    32 32 L -93
    33 33 W -60
    34 34 W -26
    35 35 L -61
    36 36 W -25
    37 37 W 12
    38 38 L -26
    39 39 W 13
    40 40 W 53


    With intelligent Bet Selection, such as Reading Randomness or other smart analysis, this may work well, especially with a Deep-stack buy-in to weather the losing streaks.

    In my own unsophisticated few trials, all without the helpful spreadsheets projecting thousands of spins I've seen some guys here use, I've seen a low of 500 units deep into a single 80-spin sequence before recovering to win. That was with a strict mechanical Follow the Winner Bet Selection. I'm curious how deep the lows could go in some sequences, before recovering, across thousands of spins. But I don't have the computer/spreadsheet skills to test that. I'm just playing practice games on the Roulette app one at a time. But knowing how deep of a buy-in would make this strategy invincible would be key.

    I'm not recommending anyone use this strategy. I don't know if I'd even use it myself. Gamble at your own risk. Good luck.
     
  13. Georgie

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    CORRECTION:

    I wildly fucked up the math in my previous example. I apologize. I was doing the math by hand rather than with a spreadsheet.

    The last example should look like this:

    Here's how the sequence degenerates if the win/loss ratio is inverted, winning 1 out of 3:

    1 1 L -2
    2 2 L -6
    3 3 W -3
    4 4 L -11
    5 5 L -21
    6 6 W -15
    7 7 L -29
    8 8 L -45
    9 9 W -36
    10 10 L -56
    11 11 L -78
    12 12 W -66
    13 13 L -92
    14 14 L -120
    15 15 W -105
    16 16 L -137
    17 17 L -171
    18 18 W -153
    19 19 L -191
    20 20 L -231

    Now, if the win/loss ratio corrects back to expectation, winning 2 out of 3, it recovers debt at the rate of just 1 unit per spin, and requires an extra 2 units bet per spin in order to recover that debt. So, this would take 231 more spins just to break even, and by the last round we'd be betting 251-251 (502 total) units per spin to recover.

    So, this obviously is not a great system as is.

    21 21 W -210
    22 22 W -188
    23 23 L -234
    24 24 W -210
    25 25 W -185
    26 26 L -237
    27 27 W -210
    28 28 W -182
    29 29 L -240
    30 30 W -210
    31 31 W -179
    32 32 L -243
    33 33 W -210
    34 34 W -176
    35 35 L -246
    36 36 W -210
    37 37 W -173
    38 38 L -249
    39 39 W -210
    40 40 W -170

    Unless someone can figure out how to tweak this progression and make it worthwhile, I'm just going to shitcan it from my own arsenal. It's too hard to recover if you get into a deep hole.
     
  14. thereddiamanthe

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    What about going -1 (level) on L, & on W to the previous top progression level, or optionally top+1.
     

  15. thereddiamanthe

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    Obviously going up on a win ..
     
  16. 5pinn

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    dozen and column kills very quickly. very dangerous
     
  17. Nathan Detroit

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    double dozen an excellent bet selection at the roulette table.

    Knowing when to place the bets is important .
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    @ 5spins ,

    Why do you say dozens are very dangerous ?
     
  19. 5pinn

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    it doesn't work the dozen and the column is a black hole
     
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    nathan if you played roulette what would you play?
     

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