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Discussion in 'Suggestions / Comments / Criticisms / Problems' started by KewlJ, Apr 6, 2023.

  1. KewlJ

    KewlJ Well-Known Member

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    Admin,

    In a post today, Punkcity has accused me of using sock puppets, burner phones and a VPN in a continuing attempt to discredit me.

    Can you confirm to him That I have never used a sock puppet. I even came to you asking for guidance on the situation with my brother occasionally posting on my account and then followed your guidance.

    As for burner phones, all my posts come from one of two computers at my home, or my cell phone. No burner phones. Are you able or willing to confirm that.

    I also have never used a VPN, other than one which may be attached by my internet provider Cox.

    It is just an ongoing attempt to discredit with this guy. (and others).
     
  2. Admin Team

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    Hello KewlJ,

    Accusing others of being sock puppets outside of the Sock Puppet Accusations section is a violation of our rule #9, so please report such posts so that we can take action.

    That being said, we don't see any evidence to suggest you have used Sock Puppets or burner phones on this site.

    We also don't see any evidence to suggest that anyone other than the original account creator has used your account.
     
  3. KewlJ

    KewlJ Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for confirming no sock puppets or burner phone.

    Your comment about single user seems a bit odd. How would you know or think that? Do you have a reverse camera facing the person logging on? If so, you might want to replace that lens, because my brother and I both have used this account and look nothing alike. :rolleyes:
     
  4. coach belly

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    The Admins report that they have seen no evidence to suggest you used sock puppets or burner phones, and no evidence that anyone other than you has used your account.

    Because they have seen no evidence of any of these transgressions, does that prove all (or any) are not true?

    Are we to just take your word for it?

    Nah...I don't think so.

    Punkcity is correct...you're guilty.
     
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  5. Punkcity

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    Another knee jerk reaction by that poster

    I HAVE NOT claimed he used vpn, burner sock puppet

    ON THIS FORUM.

    the above quote says various forums, NOT GAMBLING FORUM being this forum.

    There is no ill intent by posing a question re attack on you OTHER FORUMS per the quote here.

    Perhaps it was your brother? Can you categorically state that the other users of your account didn’t post via burner, vpn, sock puppetry etc ?

    The statement in the post was a piece that I read this forum posted by someone on your account name. I used that admission ( vpn, use of sock puppet other forums, burner phone) by someone on your account . I assumed it was you and accredited the statement to you. Was it someone else posting and didn’t tell you what they had posted?

    I NOW HAVE TO ASSUME YOU don’t read everything that’s posted by others on your account!!! What an easy out for you, now you can honestly claim you didn’t say/post something . THAT ADMIN is the problem of multiple people using one account.
    I’m considering letting anyone use my account to rattle anything they want to say AND then totally deny I posted it , and that would be a truthful statement because I didn’t post it from MY ACCOUNT.

    I’m not in the habit of lying.

    I will track down that post and I will quote it either here on this thread or on the chat thread, maybe both.

    If I am unable to find that post I based the above quote on I will apologise to you directly by a dedicated thread to you. I am rarely wrong but when I am wrong I do the right thing and apologise.
     
  6. Punkcity

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    No I didn’t say it was done at this forum, representative of this site. The words are various forums. Cheers
     
  7. coach belly

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    Neither did I.
     
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  8. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes my apologies, my bad. Cheers
     
  9. KewlJ

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    First this conversation didn't involve you, but once again you feel the need to butt in. And you are talking in circles. What if I say that I see no evidence to suggest that coach belly is not sexually abusing boys in the JR high locker room? Would that be ok?

    I don't see how what occurred at other forums is even any of your business. But yes I or anyone using my account has never used a burner phone or VPN at any other forums, other than the VPN that my internet provider has on the service, which I have no control over.

    I did post at 2 forums using a second account after I was banned to warn of an incident of casino cheating. I had the permission of one of the forum administrators to do that, who said I could do that, but he would ban the account afterwards, which I agreed. You can call that a sock puppet. I don't!

    I have returned to WoV several times using names like Kewlj2, kewlj3, and I think the last time Eaglesfan to go on record disputing something said.

    By the letter of the law this qualifies as sock puppets (second accounts). But they are not really, because I never tried to hide who I was. A real sock puppet is a second account to deceive people, often used as a tool to make it look like someone supports you when there is no one that does. A perfect example would be Rob Singers Jerry Logan at WoV to support his gambling claims, or Rob Singers Girlfriday at VCT, where he pretended to be a real estate agent to agree with a wrong position that Rob had stated regarding real estate transactions.

    If you use your regular handle like Kewlj-2 that is not really a sock puppet as there is no deception involved and if you have permission of administrator ahead of time, like the case of sharing a casino cheating incident, that is not a sock puppet. I don't know what name these things should be given but it is not a sock puppet with intent to deceive as another member.

    And Finally, Punkcity keeps referring to my brother using my account. I brought this to the attention of the administrator here and asked how we should handle this. And have handled it exactly as he advised. Punkcity, if you don't like this, you need to take it up with the administrator. I am following his guidance and rules.
     
  10. KewlJ

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    Just to expand on this sock puppet thing. I had an incident that occurred very recently involving casino security. I have been advised I probably have a legal case that I could bring, but I don't want that kind of publicity. Not as an active player.

    BUT, I probably will share at least some of what occurred at some point in the near future as a warning to other players and I am going to want to do that on several forums including a couple I am not longer on. By the letter of the law this would be a sock puppet. But it really isn't as there again will be no intent to deceive, only to warn other players
     
  11. Punkcity

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    This is a public forum, open to all members to post in.
    I believe Nate tried to pull that stunt “it’s my thread no one else can post here” crap sometime ago , it was a lead ballon.

    I believe and correct me if I’m wrong but turbo genius is the only individual that runs his own sub forum on this forum AND has all editorial rights as his sole discretion.

    Perhaps admin can give you editorial authority over that kunt free zone thread , then move this thread of yours here to there AND you can bossman all you need.
    Easy peassy
     
  12. Punkcity

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    I like it .
    Trial it here first.
    I mean you’re not cheating anyone, deceiving anyone, go for it. Cheers. You have my vote, admin please consider kewlj request it’s very legitimate. Thanks
     
  13. coach belly

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    Your example concerns the allegation of a crime, which is an entirely different level of incivility than allegations of breaking forum rules. Do you understand the difference?

    In the matter of your brother posting as "kewlj", you did not make that claim that until kewlj's posts went off the rails and became threatening. Since you withheld the information for quite some time, your admission and apology is dubious at best.

    The admins have no evidence to suggest that anyone other than the original account creator (you) has used your account.
     
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  14. KewlJ

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    I am sure I will regret attempting to engage in a reasonable discussion with you Belly. Luckily, I will be heading back out shortly and won't be able to continue any kind of back and forth, so this will probably be my one and only response today.

    First you are wrong about the timeline of me disclosing others were posting on the same account. I first mentioned this last summer, 8 months ago, when not only my brother, but our other roommate was also posting. I don't know if that went over people's head or what, but there was no comments from anyone. A couple months ago when my brother was frequently posting responding to Rob, I mentioned it again. Some one said "you said....." and I replied something like "no I didn't say that". ;) And then guys like you and punkcity flew into a tizzy.

    So let's use MrV as an example (sorry V). MrV has stated and I don't think anyone disputes that he is a recreational type gambler that enjoys visits to one or two local casinos somewhat regularly. I may be wrong but assume his partner on these occasions is his wife. So Let's say MrsV is also a gambling enthusiast, maybe playing different games than MrV. So one day while online on the computer in their living room, MrsV reads some from one of the forums MrV participates at. Maybe here @ Gambling Forums, maybe VCT, Maybe even WoV. She finds the discussion interesting and as fellow recreational gambler, she decides she would like to chime in on the discussion.

    Now what to do? If she creates a separate account, MrsV, it would be flagged at any one of those forums as a sock puppet based on the same computer, same Ip address, same location. Essentially MrsV is restricted because her husband, pot smoking MrV (<-:p) is already a member. So she occasionally starts posting on his account, which is all she can really do. Just ask the administrator here as I did a couple months ago. THAT is the only option for MrsV.

    Now taking it a step further, how do we know that any account on any of these forums, isn't more than one person in that household? Maybe your account is also that of MrsCoachbelly or the boyfriend of coach belly? Or that Monet over at VCT isn't more than one person. Or Punkcity here at GF multiple crazy ass people from the former penal colony of Australia? We don't? We don't know any of that. All the administrators can definitively say, is there is a singular account coming from such and such.

    It just so happens, I was honest and on several different occasions said there are more than 1 person posting on this account (especially at this forum). Again, I went as far as to disclose this to the administrator and ask what we should do about it and the administrators answer was.....nothing. End of story as far as I can tell.
     
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  15. coach belly

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    You are admitting that you didn't mention the initial claim until sometime after others began impersonating you.

    Then, you failed to disclose or assign any post by "kewlj" to anyone else for several months, and numerous additional messages.

    Eventually, you mentioned the claim of another author in order to disavow what had been posted as "kewlj".

    The "brother" character did not disclose himself as an author until after you outed him, and the "roommate" character has never disclosed which messages were actually his.

    This all obviously a fabrication by you, a smokescreen you've created to mitigate the embarrassment over what you posted.

    You adopted these alter-egos, and threw them under the bus, after you showed your ass.

    Honest? LOL...OK.
     
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  16. KewlJ

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    Let me just see if I have this right? Coach Belly Sandusky, Queen of trolls, is upset because my brother sometimes posts on my account, WHICH ISN'T AGAINST THE RULES, trolling him and others back. Boo Hoo. Cry me a river.

    I have tried to share some of my real experiences on these forums and all I ever get back is attacks and trolling and name calling like these guys are in the third grade. I have no problem if my brother or anyone else in my household wants to troll them back.

    -- Team KJ :cool:
     
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  17. Punkcity

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    You don’t get it do you?
    You should read your last couple of posts this thread and ask yourself, how is my credibility as a AP being affected by non experienced ranodom posters using your account. Of course you say it wasn’t me,not my post , I didn’t say I won 25 hands straight, but you have no credibility when that random posts that on your account.

    You want credibility
    You want respect
    You want acceptance for being a professional AP, bj player.

    Can you not see how letting unpoliced posters on your account will fuck you up? If you can’t comprehend that , by the way that’s all I’ve been saying about multiple posters one account, it fucks up any claim of credibility you try to stake.

    You call yourself a professional then conduct yourself as such, tidy up your account.

    Or don’t, but then stop complaining about people tagging you as crap, liar, phoney etc. your call.
     
  18. KewlJ

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    No, YOU don't get it fella.

    I don't want, or need credibility, respect nor acceptance from you, nor any of your fellow trolls. Don't need it. Don't want it. You trolls are not my peers. My fellow AP's know who I am. That is why I even partner with some. Actually so do some of you trolls know who I am because you have looked into it. But still you troll. I don't know why you wouldn't expect it back.

    Look the bottom line is it doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. If you seriously read my posts on my blackjack play in Las Vegas and conclude I don't know what I am talking about then you are flat out stupid. That is not a bust or a troll. That is a fact. I don't think you are that stupid. For whatever reason you just choose to not even be honest with yourself and troll and play games. Have at it. Just don't be surprised when it comes back at you.
     
  19. Punkcity

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    Lol
    You keep telling yourself that but if it walks like a pig it grunts a pig , it’s a pig.
    Lol.
    It wasn’t a troll post , I don’t troll you, but I will do a YOU on you.
    Lol
    Well people kewlj didn’t post his “credentials” for credibility, respectability he just posts for no reason, lol.
     
  20. coach belly

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    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

    A Latin maxim meaning "false in one thing, false in everything".

    It is the principle that one who falsifies things in one matter is not credible about any matter.
     

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