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Baccarat H & S Baccarat System

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. JacobBlaze

    JacobBlaze Active Member

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    Thanks

    Remember that I have to start at 5 units and increment by 1 when required....and taking half the hand # as progression when required . That's how Im live playing this currently at this lower limit
     
  2. cps10

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    I typically will start over if I have a more than 1-unit profit. However if it’s less than that, then I will carry it over. I also only count hands based on my actual bets. So there could be 70 or so hands in a shoe, I’m likely playing 20 or less hands per shoe. That means my bets aren’t going to escalate as quickly. It also means my profit levels won’t be as high as it would if I was using the actual hand numbers.

    I played one shoe this morning and played 18 hands total. I was at +0.50 units which would be enough since it’s not a loss, but because it was less than a unit, I carried it over into a second shoe that I just played. Because I carried over into a second shoe, my first bet was for 18 units (18 hands played in Shoe #1 - 1 + 1 (previous bet) = 18). I won it to win 17.10 units which made my total profit 17.60 units. It allowed me to basically flat bet the rest of the way since there were only 16 bet hands in this shoe for a total of 34 hands bet. Even flat betting, I increased the end profit to 20.20 units. At this time, I would reset.

    This is a great method fathead and my tweaks have made it a touch more conservative.

    Final Statistics:

    High Bet: 18 units

    Lowest Drawdown: -17.50 units (which is the end profit of Shoe 1 (0.50 units) less that 18-unit bet if I had lost instead of won it

    High Profit: +21.25 units

    Wins: 19

    Losses: 15

    Win %: 55.88%

    High W Streak: 3

    High L Streak: 3
     
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  3. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. That sounds like a good way to approach it, actually. Not quite as extreme. I will have to experiment with that version.
     
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  4. cps10

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    I think my highest bet through 100 shoes so far has been 47 units which I find palatable. I’d still recommend a large bankroll though in the 1,000-unit range because you just never know.
     
  5. JacobBlaze

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    Good info, thanks
    Are u betting banker only CPs

    That's basically what I doing too except you are forced to play every hand here at low limits, ($10 min and $2 increments) I have a great banker only system that bets about 20 times a shoe that I'm testing also to see if it can make it, that would be played similar to what u are doing... Only thing is that I have to start at $100 and increment at $20 when negative and not flat betting
     
  6. cps10

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    Yes. Betting only Banker. I play either online or at the Stadium Baccarat where you aren’t required to bet every hand.
     
  7. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    JacobBlaze, here is the Super 6 version, betting Banker only every hand. Random shoe selection in the 25,000 shoe database. I used $5 minimum and adding 'Hand Number / 2' as needed (rounded up to nearest $1). Your 3000 unit bankroll held (barely) for these 25 shoes / sessions ending with +1678.50 units profit.

    Profit - Bankroll

    61 - 38
    48.5 - 134
    138.5 - 564
    46.5 - 14
    37 - 915
    47 - 42
    302 - 2665
    2 - 92
    19.5 - 99
    59.5 - 9
    36.5 - 99
    21.5 - 17
    270 - 2700
    55 - 199
    19 - 1665
    42.5 - 117
    16 - 51
    202 - 1439
    9.5 - 291
    8.5 - 51
    95.5 - 201
    12 - 47.5
    56.5 - 112
    22.5 - 179
    50 -52
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    Total Profit = +1678.50
     
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  8. JacobBlaze

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    Thanks for the super six info, can you post one shoe in this format?

    I'm doing good on the random bet selection playing live 5 unit minimun and increasing by 1 unit ... Up 500 units past 3 days thru 9 shoes only adding half the hand total when needed and resetting if at profit each shoe haven't had to go into a second shoe yet, biggest bet 95 units because I hit a 52 unit super Sux..thanks for posting the system... I have 3000 unit bankroll
     
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  9. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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  10. fathead

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    JacobBlaze, I was looking at the 25 Super 6 shoes I ran for you. You are averaging 67 units per shoe and have already created 55% of another bankroll in the 25 shoes. That's really good.
     
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    Thanks, quick look it seems your bit increasing after a win only after a loss, if you win and you are still in loss territory I have been increasing my bet by the required amount... That's what I thought ur original system called for???
     
  12. cps10

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    Played six more shoes playing the way that I have been playing. Had some larger bets in these shoes - one was 68 units. My highest drawdown was 132.3 units. Profit of 73.05 units. 69 W 61 L for a 53.07% winning percentage. Had three “losing” shoes in terms of wins and losses but all six shoes produced a profit.
     
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    Made another 160 units today in 3 shoes , quit midway through third shoe as our goal was only 150 units for the day and we had to prepare for a beach outing ..about $300... Total so far is 660 units through 4 days and about 11 shoes total...so 20% of the 3000 bank made already..so far smooth sailing, had a big bet of 130 units today, again due to losing some super sixes along the way etc ...

    Funny had just by coincidence that's about 60 units a shoe lol

    I think the success so far is due to the bet selection which is just a random method I came up with using a post from someone made way back....

    Other people at the table keep getting crushed as they are reading the main road etc .

    Had 12,7,8,6 wins in a row in some shoes and a couple of 6 and one 7 loss in a row... Luckily I was flat betting during those long loss streaks ..

    But as my biggest bet so far has been 113 I havent even taxed a 300 bankroll and I have 3000 bankroll at the table...
     
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  14. JacobBlaze

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    Not increasing...
     

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    In Post #10 of this thread I had a clarification about this. Sorry, I could have explained it better initially. I will paste the post below.

    Also, I wanted to mention, this data has Ties so if you see the 'Hand' column skip over a hand (like above 3 to 5) it is because I skipped a tie. I just left it that way since that is the way I tested that file initially.

     
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  16. fathead

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    Are you using the bet selection that I posted or your own secret Banker side concoction? :)
     
  17. fathead

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    Since this is Super 6 mixing up the bets Player / Banker would not hurt, might even help. You still win at 50.7% on the Banker side but you have to deal with the 50% payout when a Super 6 hits which increases the house edge on that side quite a bit.
     
  18. cps10

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    Same bet selection just dialed down the escalation of bet amounts. As you know I reset after each shoe provided that it has a profit.

    Now that being said, let’s say I win an escalated bet and it doesn’t get me to above 1 unit. I will continue the progression until I do get that above 1 unit.

    Furthermore, if after a win or loss, if I am at 0.5 units profit or higher, I will continue to flat bet.
     
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  19. louzor59

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    Good morning,
    I'm new here but I look at the strategies a lot without participating in the discussions.
    Yours interests me a lot but when I carried out simulations with results on live tables, I asked myself a question: if we have 16 P directly, therefore 14 losses in a row, how do we adapt the bet?
    I put you the screen of the calculations. Already from the 5th bet we remain in negative...
    Unless I forgot a rule to adapt for such a series of losses, can you explain to me how to do in a case like this?
    Thank you so much

    Sorry for my english but it's google translation (i'm french)
     

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  20. cps10

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    In the case of 16 P in a row, you lose on the 3rd P and then stop betting until the next independent PP or BB come up. You don’t continue to bet for B after PPP. You wait out that streak.
     

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