Baccarat H & S Baccarat System

Ok thanks, that's exactly the information I didn't find in the thread. I will be able to redo simulations correctly

 

Hi. I see CPS10's reply above. His way of betting is a very conservative way to play it and I am sure it is a good one.

Actually, though, the way I designed the bet selection that I posted, you are always looking at the last two decisions. So you would bet against the Player streak until it ends. Since Player wins less than Banker, the Player streak is the shortest streak available to us.

The bettor will always have long losing streaks no matter what bet selection is chosen. So you might as well bet against the Player streaks since they are the shortest available.

I will find a shoe in my database similar to the shoe you describe and post the results here. Bigger bankroll required I am sure. Hopefully it won't bust. Ha.

 

Thanks for that clarification @fathead

I was just looking for raw streaks and bet once for or against it. I played six more shoes this morning and the numbers dipped a little. Only one carryover at +0.25 into the next shoe although really since all of my other shoes won more than two units, I could have just let it go rather than make my first bet 18 units in the next shoe which I did and won.

My largest drawdown was around 210 units which isn’t too bad especially as I have won over 232 units to date with an average win per shoe at being a shade under 10 units.

I have found a lot of losses to be to the PPP as there have been a lot of long Player streaks in my 24 shoes so far. In fact, and I haven’t calculated it yet, but I believe that the number of Players outnumber the number of Bankers, but not by a significant amount.

This has been a nice exercise and it hasn’t really threatened my 1,000-unit bankroll at all. I feel like at the very worst, I will win well more than 1,000 units before a complete bust out. Although I can begin to put in measures to cut things off before it gets that bad, but at 20-22 bets per shoe, I’m probably not in that bad of shape. My highest bet so far has been 93 units and it was the end of an eight-hand losing streak. Perhaps there might be a catch to stop betting after three straight losses and resume once a virtual win and virtual loss have come just as a precaution.

 

louzor59, here is the shoe that I promised. Do you know that the longest Player streak in the 4062 shoe database was only 14? I did finally find a longer one in the 25,000 shoe virtual database, which I am posting below.

You can see that it starts out with two Bankers then we have 20 Players in a row. Rough start to the shoe. We did finally recover at Hand 43 with a nice hit of +252 units. Bankroll required was 1748 units so actually better than I expected.

 

I think your version is a good one. JabobBlaze has another way and is doing well. That was why earlier I was asking about your bet selection. You were getting 53% wins and betting less so I was wondering about it.

One thing that I noticed in the 10005 shoe virtual database, betting Banker against a streak of two Players (BPP) once and then waiting for the next BPP setup is almost +EV. This is not true in the other databases. Not sure what to make of that. But it shows that you may be on the right track.

 

Let’s keep it going then. I will at some point calculate wins and losses with the two entry points of BPP and PBB and see what happens there. My win percentage has slipped to 50.73%. I can also figure out how many flat bets have been made as opposed to higher bets.

 

JacobBlaze, I was curious how your Super 6 version (hand/2 + previous bet) fared on this difficult shoe. Betting Banker only each hand, it did well with less bankroll needed. Very impressive. I will post the shoe results below.

 

Thanks for bringing this up I didn't even try the banker only version originally posted because I was worried about the inevitable player streaks..., Didn't realize until now that after PPP u stop vetting until a B pops ... I guess I misread original post ...again lol

 

Never mind I guess I did read the original version right and it makes sense to bet against the shortest streaks available, bankroll required will be huge as posted earlier by fatRz (when you gonna finish your story???) lol

 

Thanks for this

I am also adding on winning bets, not keeping the same bet as you do, add half hand number to winning bets (if in negative territory) and losing bets it helps recover faster and at least in my random bets once I start winning it has stayed on winning streaks (so far) I often need two or three wins in a row to recover but I haven't had a losing streak bigger than 7 yet

Like junket king said in his posts try to find a way to keep losing streaks short and with the right MM u can have a chance at winning ...maybe

 

@JacobBlaze we’re getting there! I’m glad we are all working together to find a way to win instead of slinging insults to each other and boasting unfounded wins! Let’s keep up the good work!!

 

Thank you so much. I will analyze this to better do my simulations

 

I took the day off from playing to look at some number ls from the previous 24 shoes. It gave me some interesting statistics and might have us alter the original play to really make it work in the long run. This is in response to fathead’s statement about EV+.

Betting BPP with a B ended up with 109 of my 237 total losses.

Betting PBB with a B end up with 128 losses.

Therefore, betting for that triple B resulted in 1.17 times more losses than betting for a B against a PP.

Then I took a look at the wins for both and expected a flipping of sides so to speak.

Betting BPP with a B gave 134 wins whereas betting PBB with a B gave merely 110 wins. Betting after that double P gave 1.21 more wins that betting for a triple B.

This would make sense in what the probability would state that a 3 IAR will happen half as often as a 2 IAR.

The most alarming statistic though is the win/loss ratio.

Betting B after PBB gave 110 wins and 128 losses, or a net loss flat betting of 18 units. Now, the progression would take care of that for the most part if you were betting these triggers independently. But that’s a win rate of just 46.21%

Betting for B after BPP gave 134 wins and 109 losses or a 25-unit flat betting win (not accounting for the vig). That is a winning percentage of 55.14% which is astounding! Even with Banker commission, you are still looking at a flat bet profit of 18.3 units!

Granted, this is over just 24 shoes so hardly earth shattering information. But is it possible that just betting against a 3IAR could be viable provided you are using the correct money management?

I guess I will continue to update you as I continue to plow through this.

 

Betting against Player is usually a good bet. Soxfan agrees with you.

Also, someone started a thread some time ago about betting against player after 4 in a row (BPPPP). So there is something to that.

 

The BPP pattern then betting B gives enough action too to make it worthwhile. A BPPPP then B play doesn’t occur enough for my liking. Heck a BP then B play would be good but surely some long losing streaks can ensue.

 

Fathead how does this fare through your databases if easy to run,.thanks, only betting the BPP B pattern, while you are testing if not too difficult also run the be banker only after single player

B P B

Thanks

 

Flat betting or with one of the progressions?

 

Your.original posted progression, just want to see how it compares with ur original post, if not too much of a hassle, sorry but I think since you have the testing set up it's just as easy as hitting a button, if it's not that easy or too time intensive dont worry about my requests ..

 

It's no problem.

BPP bet B
4062 Shoes = +4351 ... 10018 Bank
10005 Shoes = +10086 ... 3748 Bank
2500 Shoes = +2794 ... 3407 Bank
25000 Shoes = Bust

BP bet B
4062 Shoes = +4069 ... 61499 Bank
10005 Shoes = +10061 ... 8562 Bank
2500 Shoes = +3216 ... 15112 Bank
25000 Shoes = Bust

 

Fathead, I have a simple idea. What are your thoughts on this?
Let's say you bet on every 4th banker or player in a row. But increasing the bet each time by 1 unit. Then after a high balance, reset back to 1 unit. (Maybe you could also fibonacci each time)
I do have another one in mind.