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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Please explain?
     
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  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Starting a new phase now. I'm doing sessions with the practice software. You can see the telemetry and the graph. Best viewed on a larger screen like a laptop or desktop.

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  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is my next practice session using the double dozens AI app with the AI turned off:

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  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is another session I just ran. It's best to open the thumbnail with these DD sims as it can be observed in full size for best viewing. As you can see I performed a simple Up & Pull tactic.
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  5. gizmotron

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    Here is an Up & Pull session.

    Code:
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     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  01  --  01 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  02  --  23 
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  03  --  16 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  04  --  11 
     nb| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  05  --  13 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  06  --  26 
     nb| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  07  --  29 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  08  --  06 
     nb| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  09  --  02 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  10  --  28 
     X | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  11  --  13 ( $ 540 ) Black
      -|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  12  --  30 ( $ 540 ) Not Specials
     X-| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  13  --  29 ( $ 540 ) Not Specials
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  14  --  17 ( $ 780 ) Not Specials
     X | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  15  --  13 ( $ 906 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  16  --  08 ( $ 954 ) Not Primes
    
     
  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is a picture of the last session for those with small screens that don't render the Code chart as formatted text the way it is supposed to look.

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  7. Ttake1234

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    Hi gizm
    I hope i should have gone through this tread earlier and thank you for such a wonderful threads
    I have started to find of mine own the different characteristics of randomness and patterns created by wheels on the inside numbers and not much on ec, and once you deliberately try find the patterns,you will find a many elegant pattern and you can take advantage of such patterns every time you see such patterns about to start

    (It is said that history repeats itself again and again only charcter changes) same with treand and patterns. Patterns will continue to happen you have to observe when patterns will start to happen and when it will end and take advantage of such observation, you can have any reference point to observe the patterns and you can define your sector as per you likings

    I have been playing roulette for almost 15 year and more but i never had more than 35 winning session on trot

    Every one should read this tread and try to find the different patterns created by wheels every time you play , and within a month or two you will able to see different characteristics of randomness

    Look for strong sector and try eliminate the week sector and take advantage of opportunity ,

    I start with minimum bet for 12 number or 18 number and as soon as I see a trend or patterns i increase my bet with only the winnings amount, increase your bet only on win , you will have more winning session than loosing session and once you able to read randomness

    There is great opportunity to beat roulette (reading randomness)
     
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  8. gizmotron

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    I look at 12, 18, or 24 sized groupings for patterns and characteristics. My main choices are series traits and dominations. I'm always waiting for any global effect and elegant pattern major opportunities. There is no point in waiting for a nice influx of the common opportunity, better known as an advantage state, only to miss out on a colossal opportunity to kill off the casino with a rare super win streak, set at as high as you can afford or table limits up. You owe it to yourself for seeing it. It's tough crap for the casinos and the mathZombies. Hahahaha!
     
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  9. Nathan Detroit

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    The max is posted. Never mind the radar . It is legal.
     
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    Really. Just how often do you see the max anyway? I'll tell you this musch[sp], just from this thread alone: you see the "Stop win threshold" 2 to 1 times more than every loss if you stop on time. But if you go for that huge winner every time then you will crash and burn enough to wipe out almost all your aggregated successes. I learned that the hard way over decades of hunting it. You don't have to. Now maybe you do have to? Some people just have to see it for themselves.

    I know that ND is not saying that you have to go for it. He is saying that the casinos would love it for you to try for it because they don't fear you going for it. Yes, go for it. See what that will get you.
     
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  11. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here I have been trying to say: "you should see this movie," "Have you tried this hamburger at such and such a shop?" "Look at my new car." It's all BS. Some of you will think that this is BS too. People are comfortable giving advice. But the best advice there is on this planet is that given freely and paid for "Once and for All," by Him, Jesus. It's the very best deal in this world. “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven, But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.”

     
  12. MrBullbear

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    See screen shot below of baccarat simulation but could be adapted and modified for other casino games as well
     

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  13. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So what are you trying to say?
     
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    Dear Gizmotron and all

    my first post didn’t appear in order on the thread - seems got stuck with the moderators.
    So wait to read and comment of my posts after the initial one appear.
    Sorry for not understanding the time it takes for moderation.
    Regards MrBullbear
     

  15. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It may have been lost. I hope you made a copy of it.
     
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    Yes a backup is available so will wait for 12h and if not posted I’ll post it again
    Cheers
     
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    Dear Gizmotron and all gamblers / traders

    Sorry for the wrong order of things.
    I’ve also made some additions and alterations as well

    firstly Gizmotron thank you for your reply to my introduction post (Gambling VS Trading) which allow me to delve deeper into you randomness post.

    I believe the way you approach the visual dexterity / reading of the randomness is JUST like reading a financial chart and trading scenario

    - whereat there are ONLY two outcomes with profits / losses possible (except sideways movement with no financial gain).

    Correspondingly the gambling Baccarat scenario have the same outcomes


    Banker - Player with win/lose AND tie with no win / lose result.


    For Roulette the same outcomes within the binary outcomes are roughly the same.


    The advantages of a visual approach to any randomness are multiple eg


    • Easy to visualize the entry points / points of interest.
    • Avoid entering a trade / game/bet without any plan which reduce thoughtless entries which in the long run are biased in the bank / casino’s favour.
    • Allow to plan beforehand of exit points - length of possible exits. Also allowing planning your risk :reward values and risk management BEFORE trade /Betting / game - this is contrarian to what the casinos wants you to bet - mindlessly and without ideally a strategy / money management
    • Exploit shoes with biased-streaks or periods in the casino games which can visually depict possible turning points or continuations of these shoes giving biased outcomes despite the randomness of the game.

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    The credit for the visual approach to casino baccarat games should go to the originator of a specific YouTube site.

    Please search for

    “BNB SIMULATION” and specifically look for the Baccarat simulator shoes with Banker Index for more Visual examples

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    obviously to ‘only’ see the setups or trend is just one part of making money on trading/gambling and one ideally follow the same rules Mr Khoo in his YT videos discusses and applies for his trading.


    If one use similar strategies, executions and plans as in trading I believe we punters could have an edge in trading/gambling and if done well there shouldn’t ideally be any differences between trading VS gambling.



    Eg.


    -Follow the trend trading


    -Reversal trading


    -breakout strategies


    - use of patterns double top/ bottom


    - Fibonacci


    One important part


    • WAIT for the proper setup /Bet selection which have been back tested to be on the higher winning ratio vs losing ratio - AND DON’T chase any losses or trying to enter on an already old setup/bet selection. There ARE going to present itself innumerable more chances. And this is also one of our edge against the casino whereas casino HAVE to play on but we as gamblers / traders can sit on the fence.


    Using the normal stop loss and targets together with money managements such as 1% risks (gambling - high enough bankroll)


    The gamblers own personal knowledge of their’s win lose ratio for theirs personal gambling/trading strategy.



    What I have difficulty personally is to follow my own rules.



    I have therefore tried to break down my gambling sessions into small target units eg


    1000 unit bankroll = 10 to max 15 units profit taking.


    This prevents oneself of over expose of your bankroll / trading capital.


    Compounding of the bankroll/ trading capital will take care of the rest.


    Personally I favour gambling over trading as it suits my personal situation and my personality.



    I hope and believe if the above is followed - we gamblers - have higher chances of having a better edge over the casinos and the “house”.


    just see the amounts of potential (Set-ups) from watching the “Baccarat Simulator (30) Banker Index Chart 1000 shoes!!!!!
     
  18. gizmotron

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    Actually Mr. Khoo is only perpetuating the lie that is believed to be true. I have proven that the casinos make far more than the 5.4% that Khoo is predicting will be made. The casino's own corporation yearly earnings reports show from 16% to 22% earnings from their table games. I point this out clearly in this thread somewhere. The casinos publish these findings on the internet every year. That's casinos that are corporately owned and traded on the stock market that is. My EC example given here has shown a two to one win ratio by skilled players for Even Chance, 50/50 odds. Mr. Khoo has nothing to do with results like that. I just barrowed the idea of watching for stop loss and stop win brackets to run my validation experiment. He uses moving averages. I use trends, patterns, series, and dominances.
     
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    Khoo on ignore. a wannabe .
     
  20. Ttake1234

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    Hi gizma

    Were can i find your practice software
     

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