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Baccarat Ching A Ling

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Oct 5, 2023.

  1. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    Thank you for putting this together Sputnik. To be honest, a lot of it is not easy to understand (for me at least) and your perseverance in explaining things on multiple forums helped me to finally get my head around a lot of it.
     
  2. Duongban1984

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    Cảm ơn bạn đã chỉ dạy Tôi không biết giải thích quan điểm của mình như thế nào. Ví dụ mình có thể: BBB P BBB PB PP B. Ván đầu tiên xuất hiện BI sẽ theo sau B và kết quả sẽ như sau: +1+1-1-1+1+1-1-1-1+1-1 = -1. Ở BBB đầu tiên mình chỉ thắng +1 (vì B đầu tiên là tham chiếu) và -1 khi chuyển từ B sang P. Tương tự, ở BBB thứ 2 mình chỉ thắng +1 vì bỏ qua B đầu tiên và thắng + 2 trong BBB đầu tiên. 2B tiếp theo. và mất -1 khi di chuyển từ B sang P. vì vậy hãy nhìn vào bảng, nếu chuỗi 2 ~0, chuỗi 3 ~+1....loạt 6 ~ +4. và tất nhiên chuỗi đơn sẽ là -1. và như vậy với chuỗi trên tôi sẽ có +1-1+1-1-1 và +0 = -1. và theo tính toán của Ching sẽ là như vậy. 4 cược đơn so với 1 chuỗi 2 giây và 2 chuỗi 3 = 8 ~ tỷ lệ đơn/chuỗi sẽ là 4/8. nhưng chúng tôi vẫn thua -1. Xin lỗi nếu tôi quá lời.
     
  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Today's sample with testing bust four levels and I will keep my money management but slightly change the selection process.
    I will expose the length of the series to strike as in the original.

    Cheers
     
  4. Duongban1984

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    Thank you for the update. Can you tell us how many winning bets you accumulated before going bust, losing at all 4 levels as you described for today's sample. I am very interested and grateful.
     
  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Today I reflect on the original FTL and remember he raised hes second bet, no matter if the first strike or not.
    So you bet in total against five singles using six steps if not a direct loss of six singles.
    When a series of two or higher zig-zag you profit, so two mechanisms allow you to gain units.
    I suggest you read the original and the example where I play each hand and you will notice.

    I stick to the original FTL and Hit & Run as he stops changes the table and uses a fresh start.
    So I start a new session RNG for each session as if I were standing in front of a new table.
    This means that I need to get several chunks of losing sequences independently and not one that is long and the same bad sequence.
    To make the simulation as close to reality as possible.

    I also noticed the discussion about the strike ratio.
    Where you win 4567 sessions in a row and then bust the first level and move into recovery.
    He talks about some days with a good strike ratio and some hours in recovery mode and facing a bumpy ride.
    That is exactly what I got when simulation the original.

    I won 50 sessions.
    Level four once.

    Notice the strike ratio with winning sessions between losing sessions.
    That is the magic of making this method tick.
    Strikes winning sessions 5, 7, 4, 1, 5, 6, 7, 1, 1,

    Win target is +3 units and let it ride on the strike
    If a loss is +2 if a ride has higher profits

    So level one target +3 or let it ride
    Level two +6 or let it ride
    Level three +12 or let it ride
    Level four +24 or let it ride

    I notice he mentioned in the original how he strikes and has to ride each one out.
    Also, mention that +4 is too high a target and that he will lower hes gain for each session.
    So I did that during my test to follow the exact words and way of playing.

    The original FTL Hit & Run +47 units 50 sessions

    (-12)
    (+5 ) recovery level two
    (+7) recovery level two
    +2,5
    +2
    +3
    (-10)
    (+8) recovery level two
    (+3) Recovery level two
    +2,5
    -12,5 a
    +6 Recovery level two
    +6 Recovery level two
    +2
    +3
    +2
    +2
    +2
    -10,5 a
    +7 Recovery level two
    +2 Recovery level two
    +2
    +3
    -11
    +4 Recovery level two
    -27
    +10 Recovery level three
    +22 Recovery level three
    +4
    +2
    +2
    -10,5
    -22
    +12 Recovery level three
    +12 Recovery level three
    +5 Recovery level two
    +3,5
    +3
    +2
    -11,5 a
    +6 Recovery level two
    +4 Recovery level two
    +2
    +2
    +3
    +2
    +4
    -13
    +8 Recovery level two
    -23 Recovery level two
    -44 Recovery level three
    +64 Recovery level four
     
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  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The original FTL Hit & Run +93,5 units 100 sessions

    One bankroll is 202,5 units so a half bankroll won with 100 sessions.
    Winning session strikes 1, 3, 1, 9, 16, 3, 4, 1, 3,
    Highest level three for the second sample of 50 sessions.

    +2
    -12
    +4 Recovery level two
    +6 Recovery level two
    +3,5
    -10
    +5 Recovery level two
    -27
    +12 Recovery level three
    +14 Recovery level three
    +5 Recovery level two
    +2,5
    +2,5
    +2,5
    +3
    +3
    +2
    -12
    -28
    +12 Recovery level three
    +8 Recovery level three
    +4 Recovery level two
    +5 Recovery level two
    +6 Recovery level two
    +2,5
    +2,5
    +3
    +2,5
    +2
    +4
    +6
    +3
    +2
    +3
    +2
    -10,5
    +7 Recovery level two
    +2
    +2
    -11,5
    +5 Recovery level two
    +6 Recovery level two
    +2,5
    +3,5
    -13
    +5
    -25
    +12 Recovery level three
    +10 Recovery level three
    +6 Recovery level two
     
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  7. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I don't believe or hear that someone has come this close to the original except the punters in the original topic.
    You bet that there will be strikes or chops of series, that is what makes the method ticking.

    Cheers
     

  8. baccarou

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    Thanks Sputnik,

    I am testing a few games.

    Game 1.

    23 R
    34 R bet 10 W +10
    7 R bet 10 W +20
    10 B bet 10 L +10
    8 B bet 16 W +26
    1 R bet 12 L +14
    36 R bet 18 W +32
    5 R bet 14 W +46

    Game 2.

    18 R
    35 B bet 10 L -10
    21 R bet 16 L -26
    8 B bet 22 L -48
    15 B bet 28 W -20
    6 B bet 24 W +4
    6 B bet 14 W +18
    6 B bet 10 W +28
    17 B bet 10 W +38

    Game 3.

    23 R
    10 B bet 10 L -10
    18 R bet 16 L -26
    29 B bet 22 L -48
    11 B bet 28 W -20
    9 R bet 24 L -44
    34 R bet 30 W -14
    10 B bet 26 L -40
    28 B bet 32 W -8
    35 B bet 28 W +20
    15 B bet 18 W +38

    Three nice easy games there not breaking out of level 1.
     
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  9. baccarou

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    Game 4.

    5 R
    18 R bet 10 W +10
    33 B bet 10 L +0
    27 R bet 16 L -16
    13 B bet 22 L -38
    27 R bet 28 L -66
    4 B bet 34 L -100
    4 B bet 40 W -60
    33 B bet 36 W -24
    11 B bet 26 W +2
    31 B bet 16 W +18
    24 B bet 10 W +28
    10 B bet 10 W +38

    Game 5.

    34 R
    35 B bet 10 L -10
    25 R bet 16 L -26
    8 B bet 22 L -48
    10 B bet 28 W -20
    24 B bet 24 W +4
    12 R bet 14 L -10
    36 R bet 20 W +10
    12 R bet 16 W +26
    25 R bet 10 W +36

    Game 6.

    32 R
    14 R bet 10 W +10
    8 B bet 16 L -6
    1 R bet 22 L -28
    10 B bet 28 L -56
    9 R bet 34 L -90
    29 B bet 40 L -130 (go to level 2)

    29 B bet 15 W -115
    28 B bet 15 W -100
    3 R bet 15 L -115
    18 R bet 24 W -91
    8 B bet 18 L -109
    15 B bet 24 W -85
    8 B bet 18 W -67
    21 R bet 15 L -82
    2 B bet 24 L -106
    21 R bet 33 L -139
    6 B bet 42 L -181
    9 R bet 51 L -232
    28 B bet 60 L -292 (go to level 3)

    3 R bet 30 L -322
    32 R bet 48 W -274
    29 B bet 36 L - 310
    18 R bet 54 L -364
    20 B bet 72 L -436
    5 R bet 90 L -526
    34 R bet 108 W -418
    22 B bet 96 L -514
    2 B bet 114 W -400
    28 B bet 102 W -298
    2 B bet 72 W -226
    22 B bet 42 W -184
    33 B bet 30 W -154
    17 B bet 30 W -124
    6 B bet 30 W -94
     
  10. baccarou

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    Pressed post reply by mistake, lol.
    Will finish off the game.
     
  11. baccarou

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    Game 4.

    5 R
    18 R bet 10 W +10
    33 B bet 10 L +0
    27 R bet 16 L -16
    13 B bet 22 L -38
    27 R bet 28 L -66
    4 B bet 34 L -100
    4 B bet 40 W -60
    33 B bet 36 W -24
    11 B bet 26 W +2
    31 B bet 16 W +18
    24 B bet 10 W +28
    10 B bet 10 W +38

    Game 5.

    34 R
    35 B bet 10 L -10
    25 R bet 16 L -26
    8 B bet 22 L -48
    10 B bet 28 W -20
    24 B bet 24 W +4
    12 R bet 14 L -10
    36 R bet 20 W +10
    12 R bet 16 W +26
    25 R bet 10 W +36

    Game 6.

    32 R
    14 R bet 10 W +10
    8 B bet 16 L -6
    1 R bet 22 L -28
    10 B bet 28 L -56
    9 R bet 34 L -90
    29 B bet 40 L -130 (go to level 2)

    29 B bet 15 W -115
    28 B bet 15 W -100
    3 R bet 15 L -115
    18 R bet 24 W -91
    8 B bet 18 L -109
    15 B bet 24 W -85
    8 B bet 18 W -67
    21 R bet 15 L -82
    2 B bet 24 L -106
    21 R bet 33 L -139
    6 B bet 42 L -181
    9 R bet 51 L -232
    28 B bet 60 L -292 (go to level 3)

    3 R bet 30 L -322
    32 R bet 48 W -274
    29 B bet 36 L - 310
    18 R bet 54 L -364
    20 B bet 72 L -436
    5 R bet 90 L -526
    34 R bet 108 W -418
    22 B bet 96 L -514
    2 B bet 114 W -400
    28 B bet 102 W -298
    2 B bet 72 W -226
    22 B bet 42 W -184
    33 B bet 30 W -154
    17 B bet 30 W -124
    6 B bet 30 W -94
    1 R bet 30 L -124
    24 B bet 48 L -172
    1 R bet 66 L -238
    35 B bet 84 L -322
    35 B bet 102 W -220
    13 B bet 90 W -130
    29 B bet 60 W -70
    21 R bet 30 L -100
    4 B bet 48 L -148
    10 B bet 66 W -82
    12 R bet 54 L -136
    16 R bet 72 W -64
    15 B bet 60 L -124
    16 R bet 78 L -202
    14 R bet 96 W -106
    15 B bet 84 L -190
    1 R bet 102 L -292
    14 R bet 120 W -172
    12 R bet 108 W -64
    24 B bet 78 L -142
    32 R bet 96 L -238
    9 R bet 114 W -124
    33 B bet 102 L -226
    10 B bet 120 W -106
    4 B bet 108 W +2

    Phewwww! That one was a game and a half.
     
  12. Sputnik

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    Remember i win one session and another session when using recovery
    My early misstanke was to try to win back all with one session

    Cheers
     
  13. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Remember that he describes a whole casino visit as one recovery day and other days many easy wins

    Chherrs
     
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  14. baccarou

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    If I was playing the scenario above for real, I was already ahead around 200 units after the first 5 games and game 6 gave me a few opportunities to bail out with only around a 60 unit loss for the game and so probably would have taken it considering the game was -500 at one point. I was really only a few steps away from busting out at level 3 as well. Anyway, I suppose that's the nature of progressions. Mind you, I am not putting a downer on this one. I can see how Chingy could have made a lot of cash from this.
     
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  15. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well for me it depends on the next 100 sessions
    If they dont reach level four i could consider this method and live with recovery at levels 123
     
  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Start a new test and reach level four and recover nicely, but it is twice hitting recovery level four with 150 sessions, not good.
    It did not bust, but it will do and I can not see profits overcoming the close calls.

    My verdict is for now to stay away until there are any improvements revealed.

    Cheers
     
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    In the past, I have played similar types of progressions and I set aside one bankroll for playing. Once it was gone, that was it. Quite a few times I would build an extra three bankrolls on top before the bust came. Then I would just stop playing it and invest the profits into something else.

    You just never know because you (Sputnik) could play another 300 sessions and never get past recovery stage 3 or you could bust out at level 4 on the very next go.
     
  18. baccarou

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    To be honest, I quite like the Ching-A-Ling. I will set aside a bankroll and record my results from the online place I have started playing at.
    Not 100% sure though if I am going to play follow the last. There are plenty of chop sequences lurking around that could soon have someone up at level 4 and I am only going to play it until the first bust.
     
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    If I follow it to the letter (progression wise) and start at £1, I am looking at the following.

    Level 1) £1, £1.60, £2.20, £2.80, £3.40, £4.00. (£15.00)

    Level 2) £1.50, £2.40, £3.30, £4.20, £5.10, £6.00 (£22.50)

    Level 3) £3.00, £4.80, £6.60, £8.40 £10.20, £12.00 (£45.00)

    Level 4) £6.00, £9.60, £13.20, £16.80, £20.40, £24,00 (£90.00)

    Total bankroll required = £172.50. The last of the big spenders! :)
     
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  20. Sputnik

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    I think I have one improvement and is based on the same principle but with a slightly higher win rate or at least it should be, let me explain.
    We use the Law Of Series and depend on strikes and series to chop to profit on both the strikes and series going zig-zag against the singles.

    But if we take the singles versus series and do not play for one series to strike, we play for several series to strike.
    There are as many singles as there are series, so this also becomes the Law Of Series but in another dimension.

    Where we bet against singles as before and aim for series to chop and strike.
    Not that one single series strike, we talk about several series chops and strikes with several in a row.

    Same principle as using series by themself to strike and become larger we bet that several series will strike and become larger.
    Same as math and probability.

    Here is the slight advantage, we only need to get two series to chop to win two in a row, not three.
    And when we get three or more we strike in the same way as we were using the original with single series growing larger.
    Is just another dimension that narrows down to winning twice with two chops rather than getting three or more events in a row.

    Will take a cup of coffee listen to Jazz run some tests and report back with results.
     
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