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Baccarat Ching A Ling

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Oct 5, 2023.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I am a clever Punter and I think I improved the original FTL (Hit & Run) Ching A Ling.

    Made 50 sessions and I could feel the more stable results coming towards me during play.
    A tiny change but a significant change that gives you that extra advantage in the long run.
    I reached level three once during 50 sessions.

    +3

    +3

    +3

    -12

    +7 Recovery Level Two

    +7 Recovery Level Two

    +3

    +3,5

    +3

    +3

    +3

    +3

    -12

    +6 Recovery Level Two

    +6 Recovery Level Two

    +3

    +3,5

    +3

    +3

    +3

    -13

    +6 Recovery Level Two

    +6 Recovery Level Two

    -13,5

    +6 Recpvery Level Two

    +6 Recovery Level Two

    +3,5

    +3

    +3,5

    -11,5

    +7 Recovery Level Two

    +7 Recovery Level Two

    +3

    +3

    +3

    +3

    +3

    +3

    -13

    +6 Recovery Level Two

    +7 Recovery Level Two

    +3

    +3,5

    +3,5

    +3,5

    +3,5

    +3,5

    +3

    +3

    -9,5

    -25 Recovery Level Two

    +12 Recovery Level Three

    +14 Recovery Level Three

    +7 Recovery Level Two

    +3
     
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  2. Peterpan

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    As this system is a modified d Alembert, Bailey suggested xxyy bet selection...
    I'm not writing down the sessions, but with a target of 3 initial units, everything is smoothly till now.

    WARNING! More tests required!
     
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  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    How do you continue after losing level 1
    If coded you are victim of on going sequence with no end

    Independent sessions in real life consists different days and hours entering different tables
    So it becomes random and lotto to be at the right place at the right moment when one losing session happens and again random and lotto to be in the right day and moment when four losing sessions happens in a row

    How do you code that

    Continuous run of system will just show one time line where we know an on going losing sequence with no end will show

    There is no real life interruption s
     
  4. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So my point is that if you find a losing sequence
    Then who know if i was at the casino that day and specific hour and at that particular table
     
  5. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I think we have to assume that real life situations have no bearing. Why? Because to think otherwise would mean that past performance dictates future performance. Or, to say it another way, there is some bias in the balance of the wheel or the shuffle of the decks. This could alter a random data stream but it doesn't solve the problem of prediction.
     
  6. Peterpan

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    I continued the betting sequence...
    But maybe you are right
    Thank you!
     
  7. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's not so bad. One third of the time it loses to the 2's, wins to the 2's and breaks even on the 2's. So that relegates it to a fifty fifty proposition. John o suggested xxxyyy. Because its nemesis, 333 is less frequent.

    These EC games are like wackamole. Plug in something here and it pops up over there.
     
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  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I made some reflections and discover an even more effective way using Ching a ling
    A slightly improved selection process

    Will update results tomorrow
     
  9. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    I played my first 5 games and never got out of level 1.

    Game 1)

    B bet £1 L -£1
    R bet £1.60 W +£0.60
    R bet £1.20 W +£1.80
    B bet 1 W +£2.80
    B bet £1 W +£3.80

    Game 2)

    R bet £1 +£1
    R bet £1 +£2
    B bet £1 +£3
    B bet £1 +£4

    Game 3)

    B bet £1 L -£1
    R bet £1.60 W +£0.60
    B bet £1.20 L -£0.60
    B bet £1.80 W +£1.20
    B bet £1.40 L -£0.20
    B bet £2 L -£2.20
    B bet £2.60 W +£0.40
    B bet £2.20 L - £1.80
    R bet £2.80 W +£1
    R bet £2.40 W +£3.40

    Game 4)

    R bet £1 L -£1
    B bet £1.60 W +£0.60
    B bet £1.20 W +£1.80
    R bet £1 W +£2.80
    R bet £1 W +£3.80

    Game 5)

    B bet £1 W +£1
    B bet £1 W +£2
    B bet £1 L +£1
    R bet £1.60 W +£2.60
    B bet £1.20 L +£1.40
    B bet £1.80 W +£3.20

    Total wins = £18.20 which was slightly above 10% of my bankroll and so I am ok with that.

    My bet selection is derived from the Penny Ante 'waiting times'

    BBB = 14
    BBR = 8
    BRB =10
    BRR = 8

    RRR = 14
    RRB = 8
    RBR = 10
    RBB = 8

    Naturally, I just look to play the 8's and try and filter out as much as the 10's (chops) and 14's (streaks) as I can.
    It's not always as easy as the games I played above with 21 W vs 9 L but it helps when one of either the Runs or Chops are scarce.
     
  10. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    I did get 3 more games in today.

    Game 6)
    +3.60 (level 1)

    Game 7)
    +£3.80 (level 1)

    Game 8)
    +£3.40 (level 1)

    Wins £10.80
    Total wins = £29.00

    My aim is to double the starting bankroll and then double it again. It might have been Dr Alan Wilson or somebody like that (supposed gambling guru back in the 60's) who said that was the acid test of any system. So let's see what happens.
     
  11. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    for 8 games. Let's say 4 unts a game. I don't know how long a game or number of wagers in a game.

    Chingy bust loses 1725 units. So if ypu play 430 games and get 1 bust out you're even. Patrik did not say how many wagers were made prior to the bust out.
     
  12. Duongban1984

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    Thank you for the discussions and sharing of our predecessors. I have been participating in baccarat for more than 14 years.
    In my country, gambling is something that is very stigmatized by others. Through many ups and downs, I have some conclusions and principles drawn for myself (but sometimes I also break them).
    1. The ultimate rule to ensure survival: Do not increase your bet when you lose.
    2. Either bet option is correct: only P bet Or only B bet, chain bet or single bet (in my words short or long). Either choice is correct, the important thing is whether you enter the table at the right time or not. Asian people often believe in superstitions, saying that today is too lucky (lucky because of the right time), or today is too unlucky (unlucky because of the wrong time). The dealer is going green to kill those who are playing red. you rush in and die. or the dealer is short (single streak), to kill the streakers, you rush into streak betting again.
    3. I haven't played live yet (because it's forbidden in my country). I bet on an online website. And I have a way of seeing that the house is not cheating, not cheating in the way of adjusting the results directly, but they have a way to arrange or shuffle the cards according to their wishes. and, your job is to consider whether this time is right for your Method or not. Continus
     
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  13. Duongban1984

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    and what to do next if you lose the bet early (at the wrong time, what should you do? Continue to increase the bet to hope your time will come?). I'm using google translate so I can't write longer. What I want to say is, Ching A Ling is very good, very attractive to me. but it violates the first, and most important, principle. Do not increase money when losing. I also thought of a solution, if we lose step 1, we will quit. at least 60 minutes, and continue to step 2. and if you lose again, repeat the above process. If you win, continue betting to win again, or stop when you lose in round 2. and prepare for round 3 at least after 60 minutes.
    3.I believe, everyone will have a favorite betting choice, and so do I. noa gives us a win rate of 55-65%. more than 60-70% of the time in betting. But certainly my friends and I have encountered really difficult times. Bet you lose, jump to another table, lose again, no matter what you bet you will lose. And at that moment, who among us has the guts to bet against the future? (On the contrary, the so-called habit has helped us win bets in the past) especially in the time when we need to win the most right now. stop and leave, what % of people can do it?
     
  14. Duongban1984

    Duongban1984 Member

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    In my opinion, most people participating in betting are willing to risk losing big to win back losing bets, but are not willing to risk winning money to win bigger. If you're afraid of winning, then be afraid of losing. If you dare to lose, then dare to win (but that is not a stable, long-term way to play). My betting life is like a long movie, it will take a lot of time to tell. so I won't repeat it. I can summarize as follows: 1. The first few years of betting, there were wins and losses, both baccarat and soccer.
    2. Phase 2: I won more than 2 billion Vietnam Dong in 2012-1014. equivalent to 100,000 USD, which is a very large amount of money in Vietnam. And I bought land to build a house for my parents. and I gave up betting to focus on my job as a commercial banker.
    3. stage 3 was after I had 2 small children. 1 boy and 1 girl. I want to earn extra income to take care of my parents and family (a very normal thing in Vietnam). I joined again in 2018. By 2020, I also earned about 5 billion VND equivalent to 230,000-240,000 USD. By the end of 2020, I made a mistake (dare to lose, don't dare to win) and I lost about 40,000 USD in the last days of the year, near Vietnam's Lunar New Year.
     

  15. Duongban1984

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    And that was one big mistake after another when I wanted to get back the lost money as quickly as possible. and throughout 2021-07/2022 was 1.6 bad years when I continuously deposited money into the site and lost.....and I stopped with a loss of about 340,000 usd. I went bankrupt and lost my banking job. I always determined that I am not a thirsty gambler. But when I lost a really large amount of money, I couldn't control my mind. During the period 2021-07_2022, I slowly re-bet more than 3 times, each time accumulating more than 70,000-90,000 USD (after 2-3 months / 1 time), then lost it all again. I want to mention mistakes to warn myself and warn those who have never fallen. and finally, over the past 3 months. I decided I had to continue with a small initial capital. And that's what brought me to this website, to learn the right things, and how to fix the bad things, the weak sides of each bet selection method, or money management method (MM). . Don't criticize anyone if their choices don't match ours, or even go against ours. The goal is to win, and to keep winning more and more money, not to argue about who is right and who is wrong, that's not important. Thank you. I'm so verbose.
     
  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I stick to my selection as it is the same as the original FTL in the Ching A Ling topic with a modified increase in strike ratio.
    So I profit when I get two in a row and strike when I get several hits in a row, same as the original, but I don't need three hits to win twice only two.

    I did a test yesterday with five steps (not six) and using both singles versus series and series versus singles.
    I passed 1000 outcomes and only reached level two and got an upward spike.

    And instead of winning two sessions and +3 units for each one to break even with the loss of one level.
    That is six winning events to recover I use a fifteen-step Fibonacci sequence with three levels where you only need to win once, not six.
    Huge improvement.

    And if you bust three levels you can add another three levels at a higher phase up to twelve levels.
    I am currently testing this.
    So if you lose the first three levels you add another three for recovery and start over.

    level a 1 1,5 2 2,5 3
    level b 4 5 6,5 8 10,5
    level c 12 17 21 27.5 34

    level d 2 3 4 5 6
    level e 8 10 13 16 21
    level f 26 34 42 55 68

    level g 5 7.5 10 12.5 15
    level h 20 25 32,5 40 50
    level i 65 85 105 135 170

    level j 10 15 20 25 30
    level k 40 50 65 80 105
    level l 130 170 210 275 340

    The selection process.
    If you choose to start with singles versus series you bet to hit two series to strike and after that reset the progression from the beginning.
    You might strike several series in a row and will gain several units, but always reset the progression after two wins after you encounter singles.

    Same with series versus singles but here you aim to catch two singles and reset the progression.
    You might strike and bet at the beginning of the progression until you raise your units when hitting series.

    Let's say you start with series versus singles.
    Then you play until you get five series and lose the first level of the progression.
    Now you switch to follow series and play singles versus series.
    If you win once at level two you start at level one and continue with the current selection.
    Do this on a rolling basis and you will strike and spike.

    If you lose all three levels - this happens.

    Let's say you start with singles versus series.
    You get five singles and lose level one.
    You now play for singles to strike and lose against five series.
    You now play series to strike and you lose against five singles.

    Is getting five in a row of each in zig-zag mode up to three events.
    A grind to increase to four levels for each three-level progression.
    Wait for six series or six singles and start FTL.

    This is my current testing and i will report back.
    I do 1000 samples for each test.

    Cheers
     
  17. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    One sample of 1000 raised and spiked with reaching level three once.
    One sample of 1000 bust and recovery with levels 456.

    So it is working with my short sample, maybe I will ask Victor to code this.
     
  18. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Its a fun method but i decided not to play it.
    I want less risky and more smooth results.
    And smaller bankroll.
     
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  19. baccarou

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    4 more games this morning.

    Game 9)

    1) L £1 -£1
    2) L £1.60 -£2.60
    3) W £2.20 -£0.40
    4) W £1.80 +£1.40
    5) L £1 +£0.40
    6) W £1.60 +£2
    7) W £1.20 +£3.20

    Game 10)

    1) L £1 -£1
    2) W £1.60 +£0.60
    3) L £1.20 -£0.60
    4) W £1.80 +£1.20
    5) L £1.40 _£0.20
    6) W £2 +£1.80
    7) W £1.60 +£3.40

    Game 11)

    1) L £1 -£1
    2) W £1.60 +£0.60
    3) L £1.20 -£0.60
    4) L £1.80 -£2.40
    5) W £2.40 LEVEL
    6) W £2 +£2
    7) L £1 +£1
    8) W £1.60 +£2.60
    9) W £1.20 +£3.80

    Game 12)

    1) W £1 +£1
    2) W £1 +£2
    3) W £1 +£3
    4) L £1 +£2
    5) L £1.60 +£0.40
    6) W £2.20 +£2.60
    7) W £1.80 +£4.40

    Wins = £14.80
    Total Wins = £43.80

    So far that's about 25% of my bankroll.

    Jimske, my bankroll is only £172.50 and so if I average around £3.50 a game, that means I only need to win around 50 games without busting.
    So far, so good and I have not got out of level 1 yet. I am not bothered about how many spins it takes. Today there were 45 spins and I placed 30 bets. There will be times when I have to filter out more spins or no doubt go up a level or 2.

    I like my way, I see it as low risk and I am not going to get that ''pow, right in the kisser'' moment with my jaw left wide open. :)
     
  20. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    Sorry to hear about your bad losses Duongban, you are not alone and many people have suffered the same fate.
    I have known some high rollers in my time and they all had this ''I want it all now'' attitude. You can be the most successful businessman in the world but gambling will bring you to your knees if you can't control your emotions. In that respect, the Casino don't really have emotions. They don't feel it the same way as you would placing a large bet and you are sweating on the result.

    Personally speaking, I have always done better just targeting small wins with the aim of building up some capital and them spending it on a holiday or something for the house. It's actually very satisfying playing that way with a goal in mind instead of a more wild and reckless approach.

    Anyway, good luck to you!
     

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