Baccarat Derived Roads

Macau is the center of the universe for Baccarat. The Asians are deadly serious about it. 85% of their gaming revenue comes from Baccarat, compared to 15% on the Vegas strip. They're the ones who created the Derived Roads about 50 years ago, and they use them effectively. Rarely does anyone talk about the Derived Roads outside of Asia or on these forums. I finally wised up and began learning how to read and use the Derived Roads, and my hit rate improved 15 to 20%. They aren't easy at first, but it's worth the investment in time to learn them.

For anyone wanting to learn how to read the Derived Roads, I recommend YouTube's Michael Shackleford channel "Baccarat Scoreboards -- How to Read Them" video. This is the best place to learn how to read them. Then to learn how to use them to make predictions, spend some time on Master of Baccarat Game channel. There's a goldmine of information there.

Hong Kong is my favorite city in the world. Well worth the trip to spend a lot of time in Hong Kong and Macau, especially for anyone serious about Baccarat.

Michael Shackleford channel
"Baccarat Scoreboards -- How to Read Them"


Master of Baccarat Game channel
He has 118 videos on this channel. They're all only a few minutes each. All have value, but here's a playlist of 9 videos that I found was a good place to start for me. But don't watch these until you've first learned how to read the Derived Roads. He also has videos teaching you how to read them, but I think Michael Shackleford's video was easier for that objective:
Baccarat, Real Game Lesson playlist

 

Thank you Georgie,

I am going to watch the videos and get my head around it.

 

I will share this before I forget.
It helps as a visual aid to see what columns you should be comparing when it comes to the Big Road vs Big Eye Boy, Big Road vs Small Road and the Big Road vs The Cockroach Pig.

 

I play the derived roads. It was a little confusing at first but it's pretty simple really.

LOL Asian casinos getting 85% revenue because playing roads offers an advantage? Bwahahaha!

 

Thanks for sharing. I can't find info on how to read derived roads anywhere so this means a lot to me.

 

Keep searching to find some information online. Maybe the following will help a little bit. The roads deal with the last four columns. Lets number them backwards.

4. 3. 2. 1. Each column is going to be populated with a P or a B ('blue or red).

The Big Eye Boy will look back at 1 or 2 depending.
The small will look back at 2 or 3 depending.
The Cockroach Pig will look back at 3 or4 depending.

Depending on what'? Depending on whether or not the next outcome will continue populatimg that column for a repeat of some length or begin a new column.

So take the Big Eye. If a repeat of column 1 it just looks at column 2 to the left. If it is blank it's Blue. If it is filled it is Red. See? Column 2 is filled. Doesn't mstter the length of column 2.
2. 1





If a new column starts it looks back at column 1 and 2 and comares there length. If the length is the same it's Red. If different it's Blue. See? Cumn 1 and 2 a different length.
2. 1


So the Small and Pig work the same way. They just look back further as described above.

Here's another description of thr Big Eye Boy I foind.

The way the Big Eye Boy is filled is not simple:

• If a hand causes a new column to be started in the Big Road, then the previous two columns in the Big Road are compared. If they are the same depth (i.e. the streak lasted for the same number of hands), then a red circle is entered in the Big Eye Boy. If they are different depths, then a blue circle is used.
• If a hand has the same result as a previous hand (not including ties), then it is necessary to compare the entry to the left of the new entry in the Big Road with the entry directly above it. If the two entries are the same, then it is marked with Red in the Big Eye Boy, otherwise it is marked with blue. In short, look at the latest entry in the Big Road, move one position left and then one up. If the entries are the same, mark in red, otherwise mark in blue.

 

Quite a few of the explanations on different pages didn't really help me understand the roads.
The one that I found the easiest to help me understand was the following...

Your Live Baccarat Roadmaps Guide | Live Casino Comparer

It has more precise info with a bit more detail in the examples.

 

Another bit of advice is to play along with the Wizard of Odds free Baccarat Simulator.



It tells you what will happen with the Derived Roads depending on the next result up in the top right hand corner.
I followed that and the tutorial above and I finally got it!

The question now is ''how to use it?''

One thing though that struck me looking above at the game I was going through on the Wizard's site was the Big Eye Boy road in this instance.
After the first 3 players, everything else was 1's and 2's and as we know....

Singles 50%
Doubles 25%
Triples 12.5%

87.5% of decisions are going to be 1s, 2's or 3's.

Using all 4 roads (Big Road, Big Eye Boy, Small Road and Cockroach Pig) and you would think that one of them will be displaying mostly 1's, 2's and 3's.

 

I doubt the math. If that's true, a simple opposite mode 3 would be able to win 87.5% of the time. Real shoes don't behave like that.

 

It’s true the math part. However shoes don’t behave like that which make it impossible to play an anti-3 without further analysis.

 

I agree that you shouldn't play them indiscriminately but it's like anything, I love the Penny Ante 'waiting times' but I don't play them all the way through a shoe. Everything has a time and a place and IMO, that would be one of the reasons for studying the derived roads because you are looking for extra info to decide when to jump in and out placing your bets.



It's a known fact about the 87.5% (probably where the 'Pit Boss' strategy originated from) and by having 4 different roads to look at, you are definitely going to see some of the roads with a lot of continuous 1's, 2's and 3's.

 

Betting against a 4 is a good thing if you ask me. But I wait until a “2” is established. That way you can win with a 2 or 3.

 

If anyone read the following from the link above...



I have tried to align things and use the same figures instead of the different ones in the link. I think that will make it a bit easier to understand for anybody that's not sure.



Cheers

 

I left the N1 and N2 of the end.

 

So to try and explain a few examples as simply as possible!

A1 and B1 are of equal length in the 1st and 2nd row and so where C1 ends up makes it Predictable.

If C2 were to end up in the 4th row along, that would also make the 2nd row and 3rd row of equal length but it doesn't, it ends up below C1 in the 3rd row and therefore the 2nd and 3rd row are now unequal which = Chaos.

D1 ends up in row 4 and so the 2nd row and 3rd row are of equal length and so again, it equals Chaos. **If D1 had ended up in the 3rd row as C3, it would be considered as Predictable because that's the opposite of what actually appeared with D1 which was Chaos** (I think that's the hardest part to grasp and had me scratching my head)

E1 ends up in the 5th row and again, that makes the 3rd row and 4th row unequal and so it's Chaos but if E1 had became D2 and ended up in the 4th Row, because it didn't go in the 5th row creating Chaos, we would have to assign it as Predictable. So it can appear to be a little bit counterintuitive when you are first trying to get your head around it but stick with it and all becomes clear.

cheers

 

You seem to have missed the point. The Asians have pretty high IQ, and don't waste their time or risk their money on foolish casino games with high house advantage. You won't find 00 Roulette anywhere in Macau, and Single-0 Roulette only represents 0.1% of their gaming revenue. With or without the Derived Roads, they wisely recognize Baccarat as the smartest play in the House.

And no, I am not Asian, and yes, I still play a lot of 00 Roulette.

 

And your point is that you think the asians actually win at this game? Bwahahaha!

Ninety nine percent of people lose at gambling, Asians included. Who do you think is giving all the money at the baccarat tables to the macau casinos?

You can't be that smart if you're playing a game and losing! I've been playing with asians at this game for twenty years. Trust me they don't have a clue. Roads or no roads, and most of them don't have a clue as to what the roads are. They just love gambling!

The derived roads just provide three more data streams (That's why I use them). They are just as random as the big road. The only real discernible difference is that each of the roads will break up a pattern at a different point. And since all patterns have to end, a better bet might bet to chase that a pattern will end on the cockroach pig because it goes last.

But the idea of determining the difference between chaos and order is just another rabbit hole.

So if people want to play them because you're looking for a certain "signasure" and prefer to watch three data streams, that's fine. But let's not pretend or promote the idea that somehow using the 3 derived roads can automatically improve your game.

Of course, this is your thread, so if you want to enlighten the group as to how you have increased your strike rate by fifteen to twenty percent, please do.

I mean if you have time when you're not engaged in playing 00 Roulette!

J

 

This is more or less what I thought, but I always had in the back of my mind ''what if I am missing out on something by not knowing the derived roads?'' So I am glad I finally went to the trouble of trying to understand them thanks to Georgie's thread.

I can't really use them with what I already do because they don't really bare any relation with the Big Road and so I would end up looking at contradictory information which I have spent ages trying to figure out how to eradicate from the Baccarat game that I do play which already uses multiple streams.

 

There's a main difference between Big Road and derived roads.

Since red and blue spots of EACH derived road don't correspond to specific Banker or Player results, itlr red spots = blue spots whereas at Big Road for obvious reasons B>P.

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