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Baccarat A Bottom Line

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Jan 27, 2024.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    YOU'RE RIGHT! He's the crazy genius professor with not 1, not 2, but 3 HOLY GRAILS! How can you guys lose?
     
  2. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I was watching the Grammys. Thinking we should give you some kind of trophy? How about a "System of the Year" trophy? or "King of Baccarat" trophy. You could wear a crown while you sit at your kitchen table. Bwahahaha! Nah. Maybe just "Narcissistic Liar" trophy would be more appropriate.
     
  3. soxfan

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    i thought that too at the beginning. But once i used 6 step progression pattern where 15 shoes were front of me. I got total around +5000 units.
    12345 i kept counting wins with 3 seconds, because all results were available and by the time i reached 15 table it always got ahead even if i witnessed some losses between.
    But do you know what happened when i started to sit still slow motion at 1-2 table and play. i started to see losses more frequently and ratio went opposite. I felt that all these weeks of counting wins so easily were all meaningless and didn`t matter at all, because in reality you cannot get 5 units with 5 seconds. It takes average maybe one in 4 minute and like that in some ways it has some impact that changes the outcomes. I know it doesnt make sense, but thats how i felt. The system itself is still in profit, but i got so huge drawdown that i stopped tracking it[/QUOTE]



    True, the card got no memory but there are somes thing what are certain to occur over times, hey hey.
     
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  4. mansi19896

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    True, the card got no memory but there are somes thing what are certain to occur over times, hey hey.[/QUOTE]

    i was planing to wait more, but today i arrived to milestone which confirms my previous statement about how you win virtually, but with real money you loose. Atleast towards progression method so far, but i dont have good feeling about flat method either...

    Namely after 2000 shoes flat betting was performing like you said, but after completing 300 shoes of real play im down minus 50 with set back over 100 units. Soon i complete my play i check all tables virtually and same thing happens with that too. Its only winning. Virtually longest setback was minus 50 which i recovered within 150 hands, but soon i started to play the results are completely different. It doesnt make any sense. And casino is not cheating either as you see scoreboards.

    Progression method was winning 1,1 unit per shoe over 1000 shoes, but after 2000 shoes profit overall is zero. You never saw that kind of letdown and i immediately witnessed it. What are the odds for this happening.
     
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    i was planing to wait more, but today i arrived to milestone which confirms my previous statement about how you win virtually, but with real money you loose. Atleast towards progression method so far, but i dont have good feeling about flat method either...

    Namely after 2000 shoes flat betting was performing like you said, but after completing 300 shoes of real play im down minus 50 with set back over 100 units. Soon i complete my play i check all tables virtually and same thing happens with that too. Its only winning. Virtually longest setback was minus 50 which i recovered within 150 hands, but soon i started to play the results are completely different. It doesnt make any sense. And casino is not cheating either as you see scoreboards.

    Progression method was winning 1,1 unit per shoe over 1000 shoes, but after 2000 shoes profit overall is zero. You never saw that kind of letdown and i immediately witnessed it. What are the odds for this happening.[/QUOTE]
    Yer result ain't make no sense to me, hey hey.
     
  6. mansi19896

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    Yer result ain't make no sense to me, hey hey.[/QUOTE]

    neither to me. How you exactly tackle the tables. You say you play 1 shoe at time ?
    or your screen is full of 2 tables.
    the varience is high on my results because all tables are open. its possible it has some effect. if i focus only same table always, but that also dont make any sense.
    Also if possible send weekly resuls to my inbox i will check how different they are from yours
     
  7. mansi19896

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    if its star money management with 11 steps not fibonaccy, i see even more worse results, because the 15 unit loss happens frequently if you bet like progression 4 bets in row after p
    you may not loose total 50 units, but somewhere between most of the times.
     

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    1-1-1-1-2-3-4-6-8-11-15-units bets
    3-2-1-0-2-3-3-5-5-6-7-7 unit profit

    i dont understand your math in that post. if you look for 2 win in a row at first you get 2 profit not 3
    on second step after -1 you get 2 wins its total +1 not 2
    on third step after 2 loss you get 2 wins its total zero not 1+ and so on
    like this its loosing very often.
     
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    Incorrect, for first bet in progression you wager one unit, you win so you have 2 units in front of you, and you bet that and win so you have 4 unit infront of you minus the one unit you put up to start leave you with 3 units gross profits, hey hey!!!!
     
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    some people brain works like that they count with the bet unit also into profit, but reality is you got still 1 unit less with 2 wins. ww = 2 unit profit

    if someone else can confirm somehow, maybe i understand, but rightnow your profit counting doesnt match reality like this.

    at 8 unit your minus -19 total if you hit loosing streak and with 8 unit win its -11 you bet 11 next so its total zero units not 7 plus.

    thats how i understand
     
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    With the parlay yer always gettin 3 unit for the backs to backs win. So you capture the parlay with 8 units give you 24 unit minus 19 units what you lay out previous give ya 5 units gross profits, simple and plain, hey hey!!!!
     
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    mostly it goes like this
    only if you win 3 in a row with 8 unit bet size without moving further from the sequence... and thats the part where i dont see it happen.. getting 3 wins in a row. mostly it busts, but with fibonacci its plain and simple win or loss, simple as that. with it with right time entering i see rightnow 2 unit per shoe profit
     
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    3 chops in a row must happen for 3 wins in a row. baccarat is more streaky . hard to achieve
     
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    Sorry, nbut yer not properly comprehending the parlay style. You only require backs to backs win not 3 wins in a row, hey hey.
     
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    and back to back win aka 2 at minus 19 gives you +8 and +11 = 0 . if you stick with 8 both of the bets its +16 and still -3 total from -19 loss
     
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    aah you double the same unit. god damn it, i was loyal to your script, but this doubling same unit bring confusion only. its 16 unit bet not 11 lol
    always double

    math goes still complicated in the end with wlwl results and higher bankroll then mentioned at the beginning
     
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    soxfan this star Bet management is only loosing. Completely useless
     
  18. Jimske

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    Not completely useless BUT the recoup is not adequate IMO from the original Star (posted below). Originally a 9 step (1,1,1,2,5,10,15,25,40) And there's all kinds of ways to modify this. Actually it's pretty easy to go 9 steps without a double win.
    This modification makes it an 11 step. Also pretty devastating. The modification requires a double win. Thus you need any 2WIAR to profit. Let's say you lose 7IAR: 1111234 for a loss of 13 units. Next bet 6 and win so you -7 units but parlay the 6 is a 12 unit bet = +5 unit if you win. If you win the 6 but lose the 12 then that just puts you further up in the prog chain so now you MUST bet 8 and if win you then must parlay for a 16 unit bet. So a WLWL.... sends you to the Poorhouse not the Penthouse but a parlay win profits less a pretty hefty commission!

    But why not play soxfan Surewin method? 1,1,1,2,5,10,15,25,40,60,100 which just extends original Star to 11 steps. Or why not play his Flat bet B Holy Grail? Bet B after P if lose bet B again. If lose wait for next P, rinse and repeat. Or maybe you should ask him to join his private forum where he ca teach you all sorts of holy grail?

    He's a kitchen table genus!

    Cheers
     

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    Ok if you say so, hey hey.
     
  20. mansi19896

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    1300 units with 1000 shoes. Looking good
     

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