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Baccarat Soxfan Flat Holy Grail

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Jan 25, 2024.

  1. Rinad

    Rinad Active Member

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    The BBB bet P. and the PPP bet B are so close in terms of hit rate, I can bet both sides and keep two separate betting with count, using pen and paper, making this a pretty safe and solid method.
     
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  2. cps10

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    He does PP bet B twice. It can work until there is a shoe with too many 4+ on the P side or heavy P side.
     
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  3. baccarou

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    Another 100 shoes and +4.

    1st 100 = +10
    2nd 100 = +10
    3rd 100 = +4
     
  4. baccarou

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    4th 100 = -8
     
  5. baccarou

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    5th 100 = +1

    So that's +17 after 500 shoes. Well, I can't really say anything bad about that. Variance wasn't too swingy although not a lot of bets. To be honest, I don't think most would have the patience for it although as Rinad said, using a high flat bet stake and it could turn over a profit.

    Cheers Rinad!
     
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  6. cps10

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    Even at $1,000 a unit you’re looking at $17,000 in anywhere from 500-800 hours of time. Twenty full time weeks of work at $20-$30 an hour. Playing that large of a unit.
     
  7. baccarou

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    Yep, I was just figuring that out myself that you would need to be betting at least £500 here in the UK just to make the minimum wage here which is around £11. And that's not forgetting that you would need a 10k bankroll just to be on the safe side and still with the possibility of losing it. Anyway, that's gambling and not knocking the idea itself because it seems ok.
     
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  8. Johndepz

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    are ypu playing bbb bet p or bbbb bet p
     
  9. baccarou

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    bbbb bet p
     
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  10. Rinad

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    Here is my honest opinion about methods like this one.
    if you get good enough results playing flat bet but it takes too long to get you to your target, it only means that you would do much better playing the back and forth so why not playing a lower unit and make a profit at the end of the day?
    Most of us don't have huge amounts to take risk with, plus why make yourself go through such stress .
    I like to enjoy the work. This is easy money if you have a stop loss, and it's always doable to recoup a small loss.
    There's a old Chinese saying " don't ask for what you can't have".
    Some shoes will go high in wins and vice versa.
    So because of the nature of back and forth as we know exist in that type of game, it also make sens to quit when you are up, take a break, which is also part of that strategy, then come back later.
     
  11. porky

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    I hate to say this but the one thing Soxfan keeps on about is betting only Banker. He has stated several times that it is the better bet.
    I don't think it is I will continue believing after years of testing by myself and multiple people that each and every decision will eventually end up 1 to 1.
    But my take is the same as his on this but looking at it from a different perspective.
    1. By betting Banker only he is looking for player to meet or exceed what player is supposed to mathematically do.
    2. By betting banker only he is only playing half the decisions on that play reducing his variance in half.

    If you play the flat 1b after a p and then flat bet another 1 he is in a position to win 75% of his bets if player performs according to the 50-50 rule.
    If you play the pppp bet b diminishing probability is in your favor but it will eventually resolve at 50%.

    Simply put though I disagree with why he does it he is correct in the way he plays it although I would like an extremely mild negative progression. But for me these plays are useless as where I have been playing some shoes have taken up to 3 hours. Yeah you read that right.

    This is one of the better online game solutions......

    If you ever read GR8Player's posts over the years he would come up with certain plays he likes. He was scrutinized because his plays would not perform better than 50%. But the way he played and tracked them he would look for them to be due... Again doing that reduces a ton of variance. He would sit all night to hit winners with a mild progression. He would also drop non performing plays and try to play bets performing above 50% at the moment. He tracked how long certain plays left him and looked for their head to pop up.....

    Johno would also do something similar. While a lot of times he used grid plays he was not a stranger to puting in a all nighter and walking out late late night or morning hours. His biggest gift was how to prioritize money management.

    Similarities can be found among winning players but with different outlooks on how to come to their decisions.

    So is it works for you and fits your personality jump in and get some......
     
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  12. Johndepz

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    If you play the flat 1b after a p and then flat bet another 1 he is in a position to win 75% of his bets if player performs according to the 50-50 rule.


    you lost me how would it be 75% you betting bank bank after 1 player or ine bank after a player then if you lose another bank?
     
  13. cps10

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    Meaning that 1’s and 2’s make up 75% of all series, so therefore 3 and greater only occur 25% of the time.
     
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  14. Johndepz

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    hmmm you think that works long term?
     

  15. cps10

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    No idea. Mathematically it should. But each hand of baccarat just like any decision in craps or roulette, is independent of each previous decision.
     
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  16. Johndepz

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    in order to capture every single one, you would have to bet, bank every single hand patting it only after a player takes away half of the wins
     
  17. cps10

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    You’re right. That’s what makes it difficult. The numbers are the numbers. But how they get there nobody knows.
     
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    what you think about this statement here https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/5928-baccarat-streaks-question/

    after 6 streak you have 56 % edge over the game
     
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    After all this time, the player cats are still trying to solve the Soxfan is Alphonse Relax puzzle. Player cats must also be highly skilled at opening the cards.
     
  20. porky

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    Betting less picking the one or two plays reduces the amount of variance.

    When you go fishing you must catch all the fish. With Baccarat you're using a line and hook not dynamite....
     

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