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Baccarat This is the best Betting Progression...

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Cheetos Baccarat, May 20, 2024.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Hello - go back some post and read again - ask Victor for the PDF - if you understand the basic you will open up doors to something great.

    Cheers
     
  2. Zen1th

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    I would love to reach out to Victor, the problem is that on his site the registration is not available or he closed the registration form.

    I personally found your March strategy on another forum, but it's quite difficult to grasp the process, as the way it's explained is quite all over the place.

    Would you be kind to explain the strategy in this thread, I am sure it will help many.
     
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  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I don't know what to say - is so simple and effective - anyone can do it.
    Here is the PDF - that is all you need.
    Then series of two or series of three versus singles works like clock work to win two in a row and get 2:1 ratio.
    Seven 0.5% Six 1.5% or less, but then you need to use Holloway from beginning and not to make an tie.

    Look at the chart in the PDF how the profit/loss curve is an stright line that don't go up or down, that is a good thing.
    And with EC you have math and probabiliy that i explain above with value.

    If you don't can do it you will probably never win, if you don't grasp such simplicity.
    Don't want to offend and you don't need Spunik's March - just the PDF

    Cheers
     

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  4. Zen1th

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    Excellent. I've looked at the pdf, and indeed it's a very easy method.

    Even your March strategy is awesome, but, I'll be frank it took me 2 hours jumping back and forth between different posts in order to figure out what you tried to convey. Possibly English isn't your first language, thus it is quite difficult to grasp small technical nuances.
    Either way, THANK YOU for all you have done.
     
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  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes and thanks - so you with my example you pick series of three to follow as the dozen option.
    And all events against the series of three is singles.
    2s we ignore as they are ties.

    I can succed using strings of 4, 6, 7

    When you lose a string you wait for a series of three
    Then bet it will continue, if five you stop and restart
    If four you take the tie and continue

    Easy

    This is the secret sause

    If you don't get three series of three or higher after losing one string, you then will face 0,5% probability and over 3+ STDv
    When using 7 strings

    Cheers
     
  6. mansi19896

    mansi19896 Active Member

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    but why stop after 2 wins in a row with Even chance. From 3 to 5 instead riding it til lasts like with dozens
    And have you really earning with it like this for 10 years ? what has been longest drawback if thats the case
     
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  7. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You speculate and that will get you no furhter and there is no better public flat betting method and if you can find one, feel free to reply and don't wast you time with Gambler Fally mehtods that Soxfan use - betting banker only - that is fiction - and if you would know the game then you would know that the swings and the pendulum effect would not work hovering in the middle if you are greedy for more as the probability and correction don't come as you expect.

    Here is one example - I have a winning selection filter for Laying Over 3.5 goals - but the filter don't find matches where the prediction indicate less then 3.5 goals, such filter would not work and the market would set odds that would have no value and we would not get an edge.

    Same with this, the profit and positive return on regular basis would vanish if you continue to bet and if you had any experience and knowledge you would know this.

    Cheers
     

  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is the real deal.

    Singles has the value of 1
    Series of two has the value 0
    Series of three has the value 1
    Series of four has the value 2
    Series of five has the value 3
    And so it conintues

    Now pick several sequences with seven singles and any amount of series of two
    Then wait for a series of three to show

    Now start the observation and calculate the probabiliy and math for regression or 3+ STDV

    This can happen when you don't get seven more singles or seven more single and one series of three
    First one is above 3 and the other one can become above or exact 3 STDV

    So you have a series of three in front of you, if it become a series of four, you still have a chance to get seven more singles and 3 STDV
    But the expecation is regression so two more POINTS will happen in any combination.

    Two series of three will show and not seven more singles
    A series of five show and not seven more singles
    Or any other combination like a series of four and another series of three, total 3 POINTS

    The majority of singles will be less and among them you will have series of three and above, so need to wait for seven singles, that was just observation illustartion.

    You can flat betting that way and win in the casino on regular basis.
     
  9. Zen1th

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    To summarize, your strategy is as follows:
    Enter table:
    Wait until you see a streak of 3, it could be BBB or PPP. Let's assume the first streak we see is (BBB), we bet B again on the fact streak will continue until 4 (e.g. BBBB).
    IF 4 streak hits, bet again hoping 5 streak to hit (e.g. BBBBB).
    IF 5 steak hit (e.g. BBBBB). Then STOP, and wait for streak to finish, and different hand to show (e.g. 'P' -Player)

    THEN after NEW 'P' shows, there are 2 possible outcomes:
    Outcome 1. We bet P again. (If we form PP, we HOLD to see if 3rd hand will be P. If 3rd hand is P, we bet on 4th hand to be a P (PPPP), and again if 4th hand ends up PPPP, we bet on 5th hand will be PPPPP. STOP, and wait for streak to finish.

    Outcome 2. We
    bet P again, and if the hand is B (we lose), we bet B again (PBB), and if the hand is B (we win). Now we HOLD, and wait to see if 3rd B comes up (PBBB). If we are lucky and 3rd B shows, now we continue betting on B, hoping it will continue 4th streak (PBBBB) and 5th streak (PBBBBB).

    Keep flat betting until you see small profit and then exit.

    I hope I got it right :)
     
  10. mansi19896

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    after over 10000 spins its +10 units
    but about sport betting it makes sense to profit only with lay odds which are 1.6 odds average with over 3,5 goals ( which is under actually ) not what you claim opposite as odds are 2.6 or so on opposite side. Atleast thats what i understood from your message. If you would be more clear with examples about your lay market it would be helpful. You can private message if your bothered about liquidity drop
     
  11. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well i am here to help - here is the proof and you are Welcome ...

    Baccarat - The Van Kelen Test - Baccarat | GamblingForums.com

    No one in this forum has done what i have done - because i show stats and proof with math and probability calculations with step by step instructions

    So now everyone can flat betting with succes with and show proof why and where it works, how about that, has never been done before me.

    Cheers
     
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  12. Zen1th

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    @Sputnik Please take a look at my explanation of your strategy for future readers. Who ever will be reading my explanation, I want to make sure they aren't being deceived if I made a mistake.

    :)
     
  13. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Okay i will try to explain this with other words

    a) You bet that every single will become a series of three or higher

    b) You can decide to bet against 4,6,7 or any other amount of singles before you stop betting and wait for an fictive win, i use 7
    Reason is that 14 singles and 2 series of three is 3 STDV - so anything beyond that is 3+ STDV and happens 0,5%
    But the window of singles versus higher series can be different for the pendulum and imbalance effect

    c) Lets say you use 7 and you lose 7 then wait for a series of three (ficitve win) now bet it will continue to 4 or 5
    If 4 then bet agsint the singles again, if 5 stop and start betting on singles again.
    See explination with expecation of at least 2 points regression/correction part above that can come in any combination when taking a medium loss and not a full 3+ STDV

    Cheers
     
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  14. mansi19896

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    its good well thought strategy like that french guy proved to the world and like many other even chance strategies they can stay in the center with no loosing or winning, but most sense it makes to apply it to sport trading somehow where you actually can gain edge. What odds you usually take with sport trading and how many bets in day. 2 big tournaments starts soon and may be possibilities
     
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  15. Zen1th

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    @Sputnik Ah, ok, makes sense. So basically we bet against singles for 7 string.
    Basically you mean that:
    -When we start the game, we wait for first 3-streak (e.g. BBB), then we bet 4 (BBBB) - WIN, and the we bet 5 (BBBBB) - WIN. We STOP take 2 unit profit and RESTART by waiting for another 3 streak.
    - IF we wait for first streak of 3 (e.g. BBB), then we bet 4 (BBBB) - WIN , then bet again hoping for 5th "B", but get BBBBP - LOSE, we continue betting on singles as we have 6 more singles to bet on.

    Question 1. IF we are winning a string, after how many units of profit do we STOP playing the STRING, restart by waiting for NEW streak of 3?
    Question 2
    . After how many units of profit and/or loss do you QUIT and stop playing in the session?
     
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  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Download my placed bets and look at what i have been writing - you want something on silverpale LOL
     
  17. Zen1th

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    Brother, I am really having hard time trying to comprehend your English sentence structure, sometimes you contradict yourself.
    THIS:
    "Lets say you use 7 and you lose 7 then wait for a series of three (ficitve win) now bet it will continue to 4 or 5
    If 4 then bet agsint the singles again, if 5 stop and start betting on singles again."

    This stuff above in BOLD, how am I supposed interpret it?

    If we reach 4-streak, we continue betting against the singles, hopefully within 7 string we will reach a 5-streak?
    If we reach 5-streak, we STOP and wait until we see a 3-streak (fictive win) before restarting betting ?
     
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  18. Solid_gambler

    Solid_gambler New Member

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    Zen1th he literally explained it in detail.. instead of asking so much questions how about re read / practice his method first before u ask questions.. I’m new to the game and I understand it.. stop being lazy..
     
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  19. Zhang Wei

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    Your YouTube videos proved that you lose more than you win. Now you are endorsing martingale. You are just like Christopher Mitchell. What a scumbag!
     
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  20. saintpreaks

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    If you are not proficient in English, interpreting it is often very difficult. Using a translator is not easy. You need to understand the method to some extent to try it. Since money is not infinite, you must experiment with the exact method. I really appreciate your questions. Could this method be correct?? BBB B ppp p??
     

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