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Baccarat The Van Kelen Test - Baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Mar 26, 2024.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Okay there are argument that Marigny De Grilleau don't work and same for my Sputnik's March.

    BUT NO ONE CAN GET SAME REULST AS ME FLAT BETTING AND I HAVE SHOW EVERYONE HOW TO DO IT STEP BY STEP

    Over +80 units and overcome several 3+ STDV flat betting for 2000 placed bets.

    I am the only one who post chart and proof of flat betting method that work, no claims without back up.
    No talk with out proof.

    I have evidence in you as you can get same results as me if you follow my guide lines, everyone can flat betting with succes.
    No more lier and experts who claim with no evidence as you can prove them wrong with working method that make money.

    RESPCT you earn by teahcing and show statistical proof - you don't earn RESPECT with empty talk and claims that are garbage with no proof.

    And as i stated you can flat betting for 2000 to maybe 4000 and then apply Holloway.
    Or if unlycky with a 3+ STDV when you enter the table - apply Holloway and make an TIE and restart flat betting.


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  2. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is more proof of all the results in PDF for both 1000 placed bets sample - part 1 and part 2 - see attchemt


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  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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  4. mansi19896

    mansi19896 Active Member

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    the pdf file where you bet there isnt any waiting 3 before betting you just keep taking bets in a row like in the video without following filter. Not possible to understand it if it goes conflict to your statement here
     
  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Is okay to missunderstand - the Victor/VLS pdf - is only illustration why pendulum effect works with ceritan intervalls - upon that illustration you apply Sputnik's March with Marigny De Girlluea playing model - all based upon ECART PLAY - math and probability calculation with true working expectation - i have told everyone what happens in the future when betting - and all 2000 placed bets show just that - the minimum expecation if you don't get above 3+ STDV is 2 points correction and that narrow down to a medium loss when it occur - but opposite to when all series of three and above chop and strike creating the pendulum effect with more then 2 points minimum correction - you get positive expectation or variance that allow you to achive flat betting with succes.

    Cheers
     
  6. mansi19896

    mansi19896 Active Member

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    no i meant your personal 2000 spin result file where there is shown when you bet and you did not wait any 3 streaks like described, but played completely different way
     
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  7. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well maybe you are right i am not sure - but look at line 217 first sample 1000 part 1
    Then i wait for the singles, after seven, that a series of three show, then here i don't continue betting for five.
    Where i should get 4 or 5 a tie or a win and restart, so i assume i just hold the bet after fictive win and start over.

    So that is an succesfull variant, thanks for notice.

    So the slight difference is that when getting a losing seven and you wait for a series of three to hit.

    a) Then sample one wait to observe a series of 4 or 5 or just end as 3 and restart with new sequence.
    b) Here we wait after seven and for a series of three, then we bet it will become 4 or 5 and if yes we restart betting next sequence and if only a series of three we just continue as we will get at least two more series of three within the next comming sequence and not seven more singles.

    I prefer option two where you catch a 4 or 5 that is a 1 or 2 point regression and if not you have only a series of three and you will have the expcatation of two more series of 3 or higher and just continue to bet on a rolling basis.

    Again thanks for spotting that difference in the placed bets.
    Same method, but attacking the minimum 2 point correction and regression when an loss occur with different angle.

    Patrik
     

  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The following is one special for Jimskey and cps10 and all the others get the free ride.

    You can do the same with series versus singles and catch single singles and series of two singlesd and series of three singles.
    But maybe the is some degree of incresment in strike ratio after 1000 placed bets as two singles end with an third that either become a single or part of an series formation, just some reflection from my part.

    Same results as above with same expectation and playing modell with the foundation with math and probability calculations.
    ECART PLAY

    Series has the value of 1
    Isolated singles has the value of 0
    Two singles has the value of 1
    Three singles has the value of 2
    Four singles has the value of 3
    Five singles has the value of 4
    And so it continues ...

    I can now see there is 1 whole point difference, so in theory we could play in the same way with 3:1 ratio and not 2:1 ratio.
    But for my next 1000 i will follow the original statment with 2:1 ratio.

    Cheers
     
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  9. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    And yes you can play only Banker side if you think that option is better, just letting you know.

    Cheers
     
  10. mansi19896

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    what about betfair baccarat where you can do lay bets with lower odds
     
  11. mansi19896

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    2 odds sucks can you check millions of spin with dozencolumns with your software to see largest setback. Im seeing very good results after months and months playing with it and more spins we track the better overall picture we receive
     
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  12. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes i can help you - if you want to apply this method for Sport

    1 Horse Race
    Lay The Favorite - UK and Ilrand - Litte Acorn Gold - Search google for Betfair bot manager support forum and Little Acorn Gold filter
    Then you will get the odds criteria for free and get horses with 50/50 distribution and same as EC

    2 Football
    Football Bank Buldier - Search filter at Betfair Bot Manager support forum and you will get the odds criteria for free
    That way you will get all leagues and games with 50/50 distribution and same as EC

    NOTE

    Maybe you should try following approch that also suggested for casino games as Craps, Sic Bo, Roulette, Baccarat

    Bet with Holloway and if +1 quit and start over a new session, new shoe or dealer change
    If TIE, one loss and one win +0 quit and start over a new session, new shoe or dealer change

    If -2 and none of the two above situaitons you coninue with Holloway and quit when you make and TIE or + (correction)

    That way you will win all day long some days and quit and go home.
    Some days you will hit a bad sequence and need to go deeper into Holloway and solve the situation, when reaching TIE or + quit
    Go home or make new session

    I belive that is the bet approch flat betting majority of times and sometimes apply Holloway.

    When you apply Holloway you move down two steps after a winning sequence.
    So you need to have control on where on the scale you are at - at all times - as it is an rise and fall progression with 10% recouping levels and 100 steps to pass the majority of worse ECART sequences.

    Cheers
     
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  13. mansi19896

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    Hi. i remember that little acorn horsie system. I did not saw good results and reviews were also not very couraging
    im not sure about football fibonaccy sequence is it same or not, but reviews about it are also not very profitable with hit rate 40 % . Some say they have little profit, but some have lost quite lot too
     
  14. Zen1th

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    @Sputnik Sorry for confusion I created in the other thread. I have carefully reviewed your strategy, as per 1000 bets .pdf 1 and pdf 2 you attached. Makes full sense now.

    I decided to to spend 1.5 hours playing on NETENT RNG Baccarat (to speed up the process).

    In total I made around 600 flat bets. (about $150 staked at 0.25$ each, and at the end I won only $140).
    Still lost about $10 dollars by the end of 600 flat bets.

    I guess the main issue is commission (NETENT RNG bet on banker of $0.25, returned a payout of $0.48 ).
    I guess the only way to break even is by using Holloway progression. I haven't tried that yet.
     
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  15. Solid_gambler

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    Is there a link to the Holloway progression? Thanks
     
  16. Richie

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    I guess you, as a brand new member need better redirectional "buy my subscription" sock puppets cupcake. How's life Scentanal?

    ps don't forget to feign indignation and protest your innocence lol。
     
  17. Zen1th

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    Basically your bet placement progression as follows:
    1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,25,28

    Every time you win a 3 streak, you go back 2 steps. Example, with every loss you increase your next bet by +1 unit, but the moment you hit 3-streak (BBB), you go back -2 units.

    Let say you had a long losing streak and you reach 8-units per bet, and you finally hit a 3-steak, you go back 2 units, so your next bet on singles will be 6 units. You do it until you finally break even.
     
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  18. Richie

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    Jesus wept.
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes i understand both reactions - first of all - Holloway is the most conservative and smooth and less agressive existing progression and in my opinion superior to alternatives like Gr8player staking plan with strings like 111111 222222 and so on ...
    Holloway recoup around 10% segments in each stage

    I will post the Holloway progression later today - is a 100 step soluton for Raise And Fall as describe above

    About your live results - no one has made 80+ units with 2000 placed bets in public forum with proof - remember all reactions are empty words and no proof and same liers as scammers

    And you can not expect more then 1 to 3 units every 100 placed bets as it should not exist any edge or positive expectaion with casino games.
    They all have negative expectation.

    So the solution and simulation are done with pure RNG 50/50 distribution - so only an idiiot would use this on banker side only when you have the Player side with lower fee and same with Roulette and La Partage Rule - i think around 1,35% hose edge - i test this option i succed to profit overall -

    And majority of times - not allways you will succed flat betting because you can hit an 3+ STDV at the start when starting betting.
    That is why i recommend Holloway from the begining to solve all issues and situations.
    So most of the times you will flat betting and some times when you get variance you need to use Holloway.

    Reson to this is that simulations and casino testing is an marathon where you can achive good results in longer stretch or samples as my Van Keelen Test above - but in real life you play at most 300 trails and here variance and swings are more senstive to the short sample size.

    Cheers
     
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  20. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes i know the original results - but we talk about using the flat betting soluton in this Van Keelen Test and the methods selection cretieras - odds wise - to get the 50/50 distribution with sport bets and there respective market - i did never say that you should use the methods - only the odds filter - to get EC distribution - that is how i understand your question for help.

    Cheers
     

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