TurboGenius Advantage of Repeaters explained - part 3 - 2020

I believe eugene stopping is the same trigger that turbo was using in part 1. When turbo would get a repeat he'd restart at the next number after the repeater. That's my interpretation

 

Agreed with the trigger. Turbos basics thread says don't use triggers..

 

I wouldn't call switching a number a real trigger.. I would say starting and stopping would be a trigger. But I've been working on this for years and am still lost.

 

Hi Gigi, also i have test it. I stop with a hit of top3 3x or when 4th 3x appear. In my flat tests at least it didn't work.

 

Just a random thought regarding the Geiger counter analogy: the Geiger counter measures a rate of decay, or in gambling terms there's no replacement of cards in the deck. Particles are leaving the material never to return.

The Geiger counter would be more applicable to card counting in blackjack than roulette. The cards come out randomly but we are able to measure them over time as the deck 'decays', favorably or not

In roulette there is infinite 'replacement'. Therefore there is nothing measurable, since there is nothing going in or out.

We have no decay of the wheel except for its mechanical components. We can only measure distribution across time and react to it never knowing for sure.

 

I guess there is a decay or for example, non-hits. As spin count goes up non hits slowly but surely drop off, but I think we're going off the main hint with this.

 

Yes sorry, I am distracting from Nimos main point

 

@Yoigo and @Nimo , Currently only 4 or 5 people have been following turbo ideas with great interest for years. I think that for anyone who reads the conversations it is difficult to know what we are talking about or what we are referring to. People who don't work with ideas want the goose that lays the golden eggs on a silver platter and described step by step. I mean by this, if it's not too much to ask, could you help us understand the latest clues given a little more? I think it won't unmask anything because in the end they are very skipped clues and it won't be easy for a person who doesn't know what the topic is about to use it to their advantage.
Maybe language is a barrier and sometimes we don't understand well what is very clear to the person writing.

Thanks for your time again!!!

 

Eugene's stop for that level was getting the 4th number so no more having just top3, not as in Turbo's examples a hit on next level, in his case it was simply a first 2x.

Example Eugene variant
1x 2 | 23 | 34

On 4th spin obviously you either win or get 4th 1x and remove bets, wait until 2x shows

2x 34 | 11 | 36

Keep playing these until 4th 2x shows. Of course now you'll get more spins as gaps between 2x and 3x are wider.

Also on a win, do you reset or keep betting until a 4th 2x shows?

I personally dont think this is going with Turbo's flow in adv part1

 

Let me layout few variants of Playing top3 like top1 in separate posts applying Adv part1.

V1 - spins as follow
23 - we bet it
12 - we bet it with 23
6 - we bet it with 12 and 23
33 - we stay with our top3 1x
21
5
10
32
16
32 - first 2x and a losing run

This is the basic understanding of top3 played like top1 and with that we never play beyond 1x to 2x
You simply start again with next number to show

 

In one of my previous post i say that we need a hit rate above 50% to make a profit.

Tomorrow I will continue testing this variant.

 

V2 - will use the horse race table

1x 23 | 12 | 11 - we play those top3
2x 34 - not our number we have a choice to either stop and wait for top3 from 2x (potentially missing wins if 34 goes on to 3x before we get top3 2x) OR start straight away witg 34 adding other 2x numbers till you get top3

Lets say we got these in 2x
2x 34 | 12 | 23 - pretty unlucky as 2 are matching 1x lvl

3x 12 - we win , are you going to keep playing if not in profit or reset back to a new start with 1x?
If you decide to continue we again have a choice either keep playing 2x top3 or just 12 from 3x OR nothing at all until you've all top3 in 3x

I think if we're to apply Nimo hint we should stop playing top3 2x, but whether to play the 12 and then add others OR waiting until all top3, I don't know. Turbo said in other places to not always play the leader (but lets forget we ever read that)

 

I think the key is to know which lap or laps to bet on (I would say between 1x and 5x) and especially when to STOP betting on each lap or laps.
I don't think you go beyond 5x because although the number of matches remain stable between levels (laps), the number of spins between numbers in each lap increases.

 

V3 using columns in horse table as separate streams

1x 23 | 32 | 11
2x 34 | 10 | 9
3x 10 | 34 | 11

Lets pause here. If we look at columns as individual streams you'd still play top3 1x to start with, but have few options once 2x start coming in.

Option1
When 34 comes in 2x you stop betting 23 and wait for 3x to show in this column to resume play. That means our next bet is on 10 from 3x.
If we follow same logic with other columns you dont win anything end up playing 10, 34, 11 waiting for 4x.

Option2
We lose on all 2x columns but we dont wait as in Option1 and bet 34, 10 and 9. We win on 10 as it comes in first 3x column and we drop 34 after that so we dont win when it shows in second 3x spot.

Lets add few more levels before explaining Option3

1x 23 | 32 | 11
2x 34 | 10 | 9
3x 10 | 34 | 11
4x 11 | 34 | 23
5x 23 | 34 | 11

In Option3 we bet columns again but stay on first number until a repeat in.that column, so we start with 23 and keep betting it until it shows again at 5x (that'd most likely mean profit flat betting considering all the hits along the way). In column 2 we bet 32 until 34 repeats in 4x, do we stay on 34 to win at 5x, if we're to apply Turbo example from adv pt1 we don't and we only get back in it from 5x.
Column 3 we bet 11 and we win at 3x. If we choose to continue we bet 23 un that column on 4x that goes on to become a leader on 5x.

Those that tested horse racing to death know that you're more likely to get repeats within column1 than column2 than column3 and so on.

Again not sure that is where Nimo is leading us, but feels to me like a viable application

 

V4 (last one today)

Again a play on using column as a stream

1x 23
2x 34
3x 10
4x 11
5x 23

We play first 3 so 23, 34 and 10 until a repeat. In our case 23 at 5x. Are we going to be in profit at that point? Probably yes if the other numbers are showing as in my example in post above.

 

I think including the streams and stuff is way overcomplicating Nimos point.

Let's look at these 2 games and see if we can curve fit a winning strategy.



My interpretation of the strat based on Nimos comments.

7 is our first repeater on spin 10 (technically 11 but whatever)

We play it, 10 rounds later we get pocket 20 on spin 20, we play it too.

2 spins later we get 27, and we play it.

3 spins later we get #15 on spin 25 and we stop and wait for a 2x repeater, then repeat the process.



Here's another horse race. How could we curve fit a strategy / algorithm that would work on both of these? It doesn't need to work on everything, just these 2 as an example (hence why I use curve fitting)

 

Do you actually mean next 2x or a first 3x after 15 is our 4th repeat that stops the bet?
If you mean you wait for next 2x that wouldnt be playing your top3

I did try curve fitting before, even ended up optimizing so I'd win across 30 spin session files, but in real scenarios it still failed and I nevee had 30 winning sessions in a row following that curve fitted method

 

This discussion happened overnight

 

I am certainly surprised by many of the things you write about.

 

Lando, this post didn’t work out well. I'll write next.