Casino How many members in here actually gamble in a Casino?

I dont know how to work the stock market either. If I did I wouldn't have to play machines for a living. I think some people dont get it that playing machines for a living is work. You and I know that you can't get the money if you dont put in the time.

 

PS: There is also a lot of prep work analyzing games that I dont get payed for.

 

Blackhole

after your above post, 3 folks felt the need to tell you on a public forum how mistaken you are.

Now that is strange. Like I have already stated....If I was really partaking in this glitch in the system, this golden goose, hell I you would feel the need to say"look at me". No way.
After your post, I would keep quiet,and hope that others and the casinos nod their heads and walk away. I, as a successful AP would want more and more people like you on forums. I wouldnt dissuade you.,,,no not me. I would keep quiet and smile on the way to the bank to deposit my winnings.

I would not give people advice on how to become and AP, because the more of us running around...the more people with loose lips....and that could possibly sink my ship......the "ship" of cash I am taking from the casino.

So what good could possibly come from an AP publicly trying to convince people that they are finding cracks in the casino defenses???

None that I can see except some narcissistic joy

 

Yes, Larry, passing on knowledge is a very bad thing. No one in any profession has ever done it before. Just us AP's. How stupid we are. We should keep our mouths shut about how its done like people in other professions do.

 

First of all stop trying to make this discussion about me being envious of what I consider to be scraps you guys play for. I know scraps eventually build up to a nice dinner, but that wasn’t what we were about.

We weren’t going to casinos everyday like a job trying to make a living out of it. Like I said before we already had the luxury of having money and spent approximately 30 maybe 40 days a year in a casino if we vacationed where a casino was. Half of that time was sleeping and enjoying all the free gratuities. We have wife’s that required a lot of time also.

When we did gamble we truly sent it in. You talk about making $45.00 an hour playing video poker. Not bad for a job, but for us that didn’t even cover tips while we were gambling. If you wanted to teach us how to AP back then playing 40k, 50k, 100k, video poker hands with those results we would have thought you were a mental patient.

Listen, I’m not saying AP doesn’t exist. What I think about it is it’s a petty way to make a living. Your future is being based on what casinos imply which could change daily. Great play today, puff gone tomorrow. Try and make extra money, you run the risk of getting tossed. Always trying to hide and keep a low profile playing under the radar hoping not to be noticed. Traveling all over the place always gets played out. I know you all do the math and know what to expect, but luck is still a factor for success. The worst part I think is spending every day in a casino. I don’t know about you but to me this appears to be a very depressing way to live.

I enjoy hearing and reading stories that casinos could get beat up. Fuck them since I couldn’t care less. But if you want to convince me that real money is being made waiting for meters, marketing offers and promotions, I’m not buying the bridge. Of course our definition of real money may not be the same.

 

First, BH, luck is for suckers. Second, the $45 an hour axel talked about was in the early nineties. Third, it is a total waste of time explaining AP to you. So I am through.

 

And what I said would have been my response in the nineties. I get how AP works and know it works, just not to the extent people claim.

 

What "profession" are you talking about.
"PROFESSIONS" HAVE A GOVERNING BOARD THAT ALLOWS YOU IN AND CAN KICK YOU OUT.

Any crack addict living in a cardboard box can proclaim that they are a "professional gambler"....and under that heading can be APs, dice setters, card counters, tinfoil hatters.

Professional? really? who can be denied entry into your "profession?

is there a dress code? a code of conduct? Background check needed??or can a crack addict child molester sitting in prison proclaim he/she is a gambler by "profession"

I an sure you will say that regular losers at the tables/machines arent "professions"......but thats not a true gauge. There may be a doctor who opens a practice and loses money the first 2 years .....is he not a "professional" as he loses money.

So winning or losing has no impact on what is a "professional"

There are full time gamblers
There are profitable gamblers
There are unprofitable gamblers

But "professional" gamblers??????

In this society we put the word "professional" before alot of jobs as if to make them more important

professional baby sitter
professional house sitter
professional security guard at walmart

Just because you get a paycheck.....doesnt mean you are in a "profession"

 

"Professional gambler" is an oxymoron that the IRS uses to describe what I do. But it is not descriptive of what I do. I always get the money. That is not gambling.

In my line of work calling yourself a professional and actually being one is two different stories.

 

so you are comparing an elder doctor sharing their knowledge with a intern doctor, with an AP publicly giving info to wannabe APs.

funny

 

Larry, you are just way out in left field, dude. Carry on.

 

That may be the nicest thing you have posted when someone has you really pissed at them!

 

I think the $45/hour thing was quite a while back. Also worth mentioning on that type of play, it's damn near guaranteed money. Not gonna lose or win thousands at a time. Not sure why you think or seem to imply $45/hour is the hourly cap or best ever for APs.

If I say I don't remember the last time I played something worth $45/hour or less....you'll say I'm bragging. If I don't say anything at all, you'll insist we're making scraps by AP'ing, hoping for the next play so we have enough money next week for rent or to put food on the table. In reality, most APs I know are bankrolled enough to survive for quite a while without without finding a new play. Am I bragging again or am I giving out too much info to wannabe APs & casinos? Lol

 

TRANSLATION FOR THE CASINOS
The promotions that you offer , with the right bankroll for a AP and knowledge can lose you money.
You might want to tone back on your offers because there are people like me out there just waiting to take advantage.

So although I financially gain from your "offers".....I want you to know that I have you outsmarted...and I can gain over 45 dollars per hour from your generous offers. So please take note......I do want to take advantage of your offers .....but I want you and everyone else to know that this may be a good time to make your machines tighter, and or be very very careful what you offer for promotions.

 

And yet you lost.

Yes $25 TO $45 in the 90's was not bad especially if you were someone in your early 20's. And a springboard to other better things. And how you imagine it happening isn't the case. it was actually very fun as it was more like getting paid to play in a video game tournament.

You keep saying that people dont/can't make big bucks yet there are all kinds of documented case where people have and do. And if you think the casinos are paying guys for game protection and tossing out advantage players because they are making scraps I think you really need to do some research. Perhaps you are just focusing on one aspect of AP. Many AP's do more than just one thing, they dont care if its VP, BJ, roulette, sports, Keno, Mail, Promotions, glitches etc etc. One only need a few really good things per year to make up for all the so called scraps or any down time. Ill give you an example of something that had great potential at least in theory. You can can go research it, The Revel 100K you can't lose promo. If you can't see the potential in something like that. I'm not sure what to tell you. You might want to look at this thread ahttp://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/26070-slot-machine-jackpots-only/nd read some of BTLWI's other threads about Slot plays he gives a play by play. You dont need to find many of them if you add it to other stuff.
That stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. What kind of proof are you looking for and why would anyone want to provide it for you?(you seem to have a closed mind) You can keep saying you dont believe there lots of money in APing, just like I can say I dont think theres much money in being a real estate agent, flipping houses, owning a bar, operating a gaming affiliate website etc. Some people probably do very poorly in all of them field's and yet there are some people who make a fortune. I really dont think theres much more to say on the subject especially since you have a sour view on the subject. If there is a particular claim, amount or play you don't believe, ask that person who's making the claim.

 

All I’m saying is that it sounds like a sneaky not so guaranteed way of making a living. I guess when compared to being homeless and many other conditions it technically could provide a living as proven by a few AP posters. If any part of AP’ing income has to do with slot machines or any other game offered in a casino there would still have to be the luck factor (whatever level it may be) involved to be successful regardless of +EV levels.

I guess there might be a luckier productive group of AP’s that could really bring home the bacon, but for how long it would be obvious is not in the AP player’s hands. You still need to count on the incompetent and stupid casino owner / operators remaining blind to your action, and always keeping that free AP buffet open. I don’t care how long that buffet has already remained open for, but, life for most people lasts a long time. I know life is a gamble all and by itself, but to literally gamble on it with dollars and cents is just not for my stomach.

What’s left to say about this topic? I think it’s appropriate to say GOOD LUCK

 

"Luck is for suckers."
MINNESOTA FATS

 

Being an undercover police officer, private investigator, bill collector, telemarketer, spy, certain types of attorneys, car salesman, tout, secret shopper, psychic, paparazzi etc etc might be a sneaky way to make a living.

No job is guaranteed I have seen many people who find that out the hard way. There's highly educated people with good backgrounds who can't find a job or lose a good one and find themselves in a desperate situation. One time successful Business owners oftentimes have their business fail due to some unfortunate event.

One mans nightmare job is another man's passion. I would absolutely hate being a truck driver yet I know people who love it and make a good living. Some people love public speaking while others would want to throw up just thinking about it. I couldn't imagine being working as a coroner yet people elect to do it. I think being a prison guard would be a horrible depressing job. I wouldn't want to be an oncology nurse or an ass, foot or dick doctor. I couldn't imagine working on an assembly line. I'm dam certain I wouldn't want to count cards full time.

AP has many freedoms and many interesting aspects as well as disadvantages.

Most(?) americans hate their jobs or can't wait to get off work each day. Most AP's I know don't feel that way.

There's very few things I would rather be doing, but since movie/food critic, flyfishing, Rockstar, board games player, video gamer and Quarterback jobs are hard to come by well....

PS there's no luck needed on many situations.

 

I'm getting soft in my old age, Boz.

 

I think gambling is one of the best betting game, there is one members not to play.
When most persons, almost all people, are offered with the word-association 'fun', none will come back at you with 'casino'. But when they do, it's to the leaving out of all else... duh, casino, that's it, fun.