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Roulette Figure it out

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Denzie, Jun 5, 2022.

  1. MatwieJ

    MatwieJ Member

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    Ricardo, interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. Here you have more accurate ranges from 1 million spins tested.
     
  2. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    atrox below is Luck of the Irish data.
    This is a test I did in November. I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:

    2 3210
    3 6251
    4 9017
    5 10906
    6 12398
    7 12852
    8 12454
    9 11478
    10 10007
    11 8619
    12 6845
    13 5243
    14 3857
    15 2730
    16 1816
    17 1128
    18 687
    19 355
    20 246
    21 96
    22 61
    23 29
    24 16
    25 5
    26 3
    27 0
    28 0
    29 0
    30 0
    31 0
    32 0
    33 0
    34 0
    35 0
    36 0

    The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.
    Look at 1st 10. 7th. In your pic reply 158 would you not win betting for repeat in 10. No double loss for those cycle of 10.
    More
    I ran about 500 000 cycles of 37 spins and came up with the following:

    (Number on left is number of unique numbers and next number is how many times a spin cycle had exactly that many unique numbers in the test)

    37 spin cycle:

    15 1
    16 12
    17 202
    18 1417
    19 6020
    20 18309
    21 41304
    22 73951
    23 98780
    24 102814
    25 80164
    26 47276
    27 20934
    28 6706
    29 1685
    30 349
    31 35
    32 5

    74 spin cycle:

    25 46
    26 304
    27 1898
    28 7536
    29 22123
    30 50675
    31 88059
    32 114050
    33 107055
    34 69801
    35 29634
    36 7735
    37 1011

    111 spin cycle:

    29 31
    30 181
    31 1407
    32 7570
    33 29508
    34 83849
    35 151889
    36 155781
    37 69674

    148 spin cycle:

    32 15
    33 828
    34 8540
    35 52625
    36 181344
    37 256499

    Mean and median were approximately:

    24 for 37 spin cycle
    32 for 74 spin cycle
    35 for 111 spin cycle
    37 for 148 spin cycle
     
  3. atrox23

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    Further down are some two consecutive NR but manageable. Here is full table.
    Screen Shot 09-25-2024 at 7.12 PM.png
     
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  4. Ricardo

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    Yes, I have it, single 0 and double 0
     
  5. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Okay would after the repeat; you start to continue betting the stream 1 to 10 numbers. You should find 10 lost and next 10 lose and possible a 3rd 10 lose.
    Should you win with 8 numbers, break even and see out the 10 spins. Or straight away bet for repeat?
     
  6. Naughty but nice

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    Getting away from figure it out or adv:3
     
  7. atrox23

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    Yes i accept that break even , wait for the block to complete as it based on a fixed length. But i usually when a cycle end start the next run...
     
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  8. atrox23

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    NBN as i indicate as long as all attempts are positive it doesn't matter how the graphs look right? I will set a target (Do you think flat is possible?) and i will end the session and start a new one.

    Screen Shot 09-25-2024 at 9.47 PM.png
     
  9. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    This played as above.
    upload_2024-9-25_19-52-20.png
    Using a 1-2-3-4-5
     
  10. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    I left 18 on as it still has a chance before dropping
     
  11. atrox23

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    Wat is your starting bankroll , not on RS but in (real) play?
     
  12. atrox23

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    This was proposed for a single number bet.. but we can convert that to the corresponding number group, eg 3#=a street or split etc.

    1x35=35 (35)
    2x35=70 (105)
    3x35=105 (210)
    4x35=140 (350)
    5x35=175 (525)
    6x35=210 (735)
    7x35=245 (980)
    8x35=280 (1260)
    9x35=315 (1575)
    10x35=350(1925)
    11x35=385(2310)
    12x35=420(2730)
    13x35=455(3185)
     
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  13. Naughty but nice

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    upload_2024-9-25_20-35-18.png
    All lap 1x wants to do as do all x-laps is get to 37.
    The further the previous laps are growing slows the start of later laps.
    Usually 4x laps have completed to 37, but the 10x lap has not completed. It can even be waiting for lap 8x to start.
    Here we have 1x at 24, 2x at 11 and laps 3x-4x on 1.
    3x has 1 number. 2x has 11 numbers, that has 10 numbers already trying to go 3x2, but would it be a match ?
    Denzies quoted +100. Why not reset.
    I seldom play now as FOBT's are max bet of £2. But when i do venture near a B+M (60 mile round trip) ( so fcuk that) i'll have £ 400; plus there is an ATM if needed.
     
  14. Gigi666

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    How do you decide when to stop using one lap and move to next?
     

  15. SERGIO

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    Could you share the one with columns of 5 to 9 numbers please?

    Thanks
     
  16. SERGIO

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    Gigi, if you look at what I posted a few days ago, it's a very good option, but it requires progression.
    If you take the first column and average the numbers that match, you'll get an average (not calculated, but approximate) of 0.3-0.5 matches, with two columns 0.5-1, with 3, 1-1.3, and so on.
    If you play only the first column every 2-4 levels, you'll have one consecutive, with two every 1-3, etc.
    You play until it fails and a new one comes out on top, with two the same and with 3 the same.
    The problem is that the more columns you take, the more you force more numbers to come out and that makes it worse to handle, that's why 1 to 3 columns is the key, but that's doing it in a certain way.
    But what Denzie almost certainly does is different, he knows the average of balls from 3x onwards, waits for a certain number of balls to start playing and if he fails, he goes to 4x and repeats the process until he hits the inevitable prize.
    Bitrock explained in a thread more or less what he did and a person whose name I don't remember, put some statistics where 3x to 7x was the key to playing with an average between 16-24 spins, I think that's where Denzie and the rest base it, but there are many ways to do it.
    I'll give a totally different example, focused on what Turbo explained in adv. 1, where he says that playing the first number after the repetition on average would take x cycles to hit, because he bases it on an average of 9.
    You have to focus on one thing and work, because there are different ways for different people.
    For example, if you take and play from ball 1 to ball 9 after a repetition, knowing that the average is 9, when you bet after a repetition and in a set of sessions you move away from that 1/9, you will have sessions less than 1/9 in order to adjust the total sessions to 1/9.
    Imagine that you are playing fictitiously for several cycles and you always hit 1/12, in several attacks that you make, there will come a point where you will have to lower the interval of hits to adjust to 1/9, that means that after several cycles that exceed 1/9, there will be cycles that hit well below 1/9 to adjust to the average.
    All this is what they are doing, each one in their own way that they like best and with different systems.
    I hope I have explained myself well.
     
  17. SERGIO

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    The important thing is to know what happens and when it happens on average, in order to then adjust it well with proper money management. Each person does it in the way that they have understood or created based on that, or that is what I believe.
     
  18. SERGIO

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    You can even watch how your sessions progress. If your sessions start quickly with a few repeated numbers being correct, you can be sure that the next levels will require many repeated numbers to progress. If your session starts with a lot of repeated numbers and you don't move on to the next level quickly, you can be sure that within a few levels you will quickly move on to the next level.
     
  19. Gigi666

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    I'm aware of the 16-24, I tried back some time keeping top numbers for that lenghth, tried recently increasing bet if no hit from top 3 after 16 spins (for 2x to 3x) and after 24 no win there after. It looked good, but I'm not a fan of aggressive progs

    What you wrote about top1 or 2, isn't bad, on paper you're hardly ever get more than 5 leader changes in a row, but using negative prog is never working long term.

    As you touched on Denzie, might be betting only within the most expected spin zones, ie. 1x to 2x between spins 4-10, 2x to 3x spin 17-27, 3x to 4x spins 32-42 etc., but also stopping when 3 or 4 numbers already show in that lap and maybe just playing leader then (as it seems logical to play leader most of the time).
    Problem with trying to hit the averages, so the most expected, is with sessions that sit outside of this, either getting hits early (though thats easy you can just change tables or wait) or being very slow and you rack up losses when first 3x hits at spin 36, 4x at spin 55+ etc.
    Then of course you might havd hits as expected in terms of spin count but not matching previous top3 or whatever you play.
     
  20. SERGIO

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    For that, he starts from 3x to 7x, when he is looking for his successes and there is a group that is well above his average, that is when he can play safely, knowing that he will then fall quickly.
    Consider a session that starts with many repeated 2x and when he goes up to 3x, it is very likely that he will repeat with few numbers of 3x or 4x or 5x, since that large gap between 2x and 3x creates a large gap in the averages and that creates that he will then go faster.
    Anyway, I don't think he'll only play top 3, they should look at how the session goes and attack more numbers, waiting for a number of errors that fit the average to start playing, if they fail, they will go to the next level knowing the gap that there was and that it should be adjusted to a total average, if the gap was 30 and they know that he hits in gaps of 16-20, they know that in 10 balls you will already have the adjustment to 15 average and they can start playing knowing that it is very likely that it will happen, otherwise they will do it in the 4x or 5x.
    But what I am almost sure is that they start with 3x and above.
    It can also be done with the Top 3, but the sessions can be longer.
    Regarding what Nimo says about top3 as top1, I think he means that he is using what I told you, any 2x number of the top 3, has a match, before the top3 of 3x are formed, if he gets ahead, he directly plays with that number, because at a certain moment we know that there will be two or 3 hits in a row.
    I think I didn't explain myself well, that's why the group, so we can make videos...
     

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