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Blackjack Thorp Ten Count Revisited and Foret Lanyang's AceMT-Like Ten Count

Discussion in 'Blackjack Forum' started by Moraine, Jan 17, 2025.

  1. Moraine

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    Ten Count is a powerful card counting system, especially for one or two-deck blackjack. It was first introduced to the world in 1962 by Edward O. Thorp – the legend who shocked the gambling world with his famed “Beat the Dealer” publication.

    Ten Count’s BC, PE and IC are 0.72, 0.61 and 1.00, respectively. Its combined BC+PE+IC is as high as 2.33, while the well-known Hi-Lo counting system can only boast a 0.97+0.51+0.76 = 2.24 for its combined BC+PE+IC. In spite of its famed lineage and superiority in BC+PE+IC, Ten Count, however, has not been popular with the card counting mass. One may wonder “Why”?

    Moraine recalls a conversation with Foret Lanyang who pioneered AceMT. As Foret put it, Thorp Ten-count was only good for math wizards who could +4 or -9 every time the dealer slapped down a card. It turned out Foret had improvised his own Ten Count system to make up his deficiency in math. This is how he did it:

    Foret only counted the total number of the 10-valued cards exposed, and ignored the rest. He then proceeded to determine the running count, the true count, and the wagers in the same manner as he did in AceMT.
     

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  2. Moraine

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    Example


    Question: When playing two-deck blackjack, if only 9 ten-valued cards have been dealt after one deck, what is the Running Count and what is the True Count?

    Answer:

    Running Count = (16 x Number of Decks Exposed) – Total Number of 10s, Js, Qs and Ks Exposed = (16 x 1) – 9 = 7.

    True Count = Running Count ÷ Number of Decks Remaining = 7 ÷ (2 - 1) = 7 ÷ 1 = 7.

    Wow! Can Ten Count Get Any Simpler Than That?

    NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!:arghh::arghh::arghh::arghh::arghh:
     
  3. Moraine

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    A REVOLUTIONARY RC-TC CONVERSION TECHNIQUE GIVES EVERY COUNTER A BREAK

    The above example demonstrates one unique feature of AceMT or any AceMT-Like card counting systems: They all use a revolutionary technique to convert running counts into true counts.

    That revolutionary RC-TC conversion technique saves the arduous job of Thorp Ten-Count's +4, -9 running count tallying, or Hi-Lo's +1, -1 running count tallying all the time.

    Too tire when counting? Learn AceMT, and you will yourself or your team member a break.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2025
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    Thorp's Ten-Count vs. Foret Lanyang's AceMT-Like Ten-Count:

    Both techniques obtained precisely the same result. Both got their 100% IC. The difference is that former technique came from Edward Thorp -- a prominent math professor and the first-and-foremost icon in the blackjack world, and later came from a borderline retard -- Foret Lanyang, who ranked 37th in an elementary class of 42 pupils, and was the only pupil in the class who raised his left hand when the teacher asked all to raise the right hand. (See Moraine Mono's book on AceMT, p. 24.)

    Also, if you use Thorp's Ten-Count, your running count will be running up 4 or be running down 9 anytime the dealer slaps down a card. But if you uses Foret Lanyang's Ten-Count instead, your running will be running like 1 2 3 4 5 . . . . all the time.
    Moraine Asks: Need any special intelligence to count One Two Three Four Five?
    Answer: Count Smarter, Not Harder!!!
     
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    An Insurance Decision Made Easy: Insure at 1.333 TC of Foret Lanyang Ten- Count
    Reason: :)A blackjack deck has 52 cards, when using Foret Lanyang Ten-Count system, if the True Count for the remaining shoe is bigger than (52 / 3) - 16 = 17.333 - 16 = 1.333, buy insurance. Otherwise, don't.:)
     
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    Not sure if anyone normally uses Thorp Ten-Count for the purpose of sizing the bets, but Foret Lanyang's Ten-Count ("X-Count") are also suitable for sizing the bets in addition to determining insurance buying.

    Here is the basic: Each X-Count True Count translates into approximately an 0.73 EV increment for players; and at +1 X-count TC, the house loses most, if not all, of its edge in the normal 3-to-2 H17 blackjack against basic strategy players. Therefore, once the True Count is +1 or higher, X-Count counters can prudently increase their bets in proportion to EV increments.
     
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    CORRECTION: Here is the basic: Each X-Count True Count translates into approximately an 0.73% EV increment for players; and at +1 X-count TC, the house loses most, if not all, of its edge in the normal 3-to-2 H17 blackjack against basic strategy players. Therefore, once the True Count is +1 or higher, X-Count counters can prudently increase their bets in proportion to EV increments.[/QUOTE]
     


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