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Hello PersonS,

I had not looked on here in a while and so it was a coincidence that you wrote asking a few questions.

Why do I use multiple streams like above? Because it gives me opportunities to pick out the weak spots in a game.

So, some questions to ask when considering how to use the above might be as follows....

What type of shoe presentment is going to make it very difficult for a player to win? My answer would be the 'bits and pieces' ones. What I mean by that is no long runs of either side and no straight chops either. So as a suggestion, you try trying to parlay your bets when there are no long runs or straight chops. You can't do it! You will get W L W L followed by L L etc...

You need to find a way to break the shoe down into sections. One way to do that is to break it down into what's dominating. Sometimes you get long dominance and sometimes short dominance. The strange thing is that the long dominance can go against the player producing a lot of L L L L etc.. and the short runs of dominance can help a player by producing W W W W etc... When you think about logically, that's actually the way it has to be because of the makeup of a shoe. There are generally speaking going to be more 1's than 2's, more 2's than 3's and so on and so ask yourself what will the most dominant sections produce and the answer is those 'bits and pieces'

So to conclude, the multiple streams don't present anybody with an easy solution where something stands out of the page looking like ABC (because I tried all that and it didn't work) but what they do if you study them and spend some time thinking about is show where you can take advantage of where the weak spots for the player are and then you bet the opposite. Remember, most players lose, think why they lose and how they lose and then you can win.

Sincerely hoping that helps.

cheers

 

Hello, Baccarou

Thanks for the answer. I understand how dominance is created and how to cut the shoe into these parts where the house prevails. Cutting creates the appearance of what is happening at the moment in the shoe, is this what you meant? I am guided by the same rule, for example, the shortest dom is 4 hands - PP (dom) BB (end dom P).
Here I would stop to see what happens next - if it is B, I would bet on the Banker.
If P, I would bet 1x on P to create a streak.
I'm trying to figure out what the 2nd stream is helping with, and I'm guessing it makes sense to see chop dominance and bet on chop streaks.

 

I re-read your post and understood it more deeply.
So most shoes will be dominated by these 'bits and pieces'. And create dominance along the entire length of the shoe, switching between sides. And this means that most of the dominant sections will consist of lengths 1s, 2s, 3s. Now I need to somehow combine these lengths to see the weak parts?

 

Hi baccarou, I encountered 3 shoe types:
1. Dominance
2. No dominance
3. Hybrids. This is where I lose money because I had to switch multiple times. Would appreciate if you could provide more insights on how to deal with this show type.

 

Yes, I believe this is correct. You will get a lot more concentrated bits and pieces runs which have a very short life span interspersed with some long runs of either runs, chops or twos and this is why (like I said) it's very hard to win for someone attempting parlays because the 'easy' double wins just don't appear enough to make it profitable but we can reverse that then and jag some wins along the way of these bits and pieces threads.

As an example and assuming my framework is based on recording for dominance. Let's go for the chop first and the previous result was Player.

Banker = win
Banker = lose
Banker = lose (and so now the dominance has switched to runs)

Banker = win
Player = lose
Banker = lose (and now the dominance has switched to chop again)

Player = win
Player = lose
Player = lose

The thing with playing for dominant runs is that they always end on two losses and so unless you get a nice run, you will never get that far ahead because these short runs of sections like I have shown above can cluster and if you play them looking for the dominance to continue, you can lose and lose badly and so it's important to play what you are seeing unfold before your eyes. The above example could still be considered dominance but in a reverse fashion and so as long as you can see it both ways, you aren't going to get hurt and you can make some good profits in your baccarat sessions.

 

Hello Zhang Wei,

Pretty much as I shown above in the example answers your question around how to handle these hybrid shoe situations.

cheers

 

In the example above it starts P B P then goes into P B (Ppbbppbb) which is a nice little run of it's own.

 

Often when you identify the dominance that dominance will have exhausted itself, so the whole thing make no sense logical. It's just dumbske style bulls-shits, nonsenses and foolishness, hey hey.

 

Which is exactly what I was trying to explain in the couple of posts above.

It helps if you read the posts before commenting old chap!

 

Yeah, sometime ya gotta re-iterate the point, hey hey.

 

Thanks Baccarou.
I understand this example, but I can't imagine how to make less L in such situations.
Just looking back, playing something in the FTL style looking at each side?
For example, like this BBBPPB - here the bet is on the B series.
And for example the next P - here the bet is on the series P.
When the next B comes up, then the bet is that it will be 1s. ETC.

 

Truths say, the worst thing you can do when buckin up against the baccarats is to turn the proposition into the guessings game, hey hey.

 

PersonS, let's look at your example of BBBPPB because it's an interesting one.

B
B so here as far as I am concerned, it's a dominant B
B so no drama here and let's hope B continues
P ok, so now it's switched to P. Now there are two ways you can look at this. Are you thinking the B is still the dominant one or will P become the new dominant one. (having researched different mathematical models over the last few years which seems to suggest some things are more favourable over others) Let's look for the P to come next to continue now with a P dominance.
P ok, so great! But looking back at the results now, there is also a situation of the 'terrible 2's' If the 2's continue, B will be next and will create it's own dominance.
B and so B in fact did come next. (This is why I was saying up above in an earlier post that it's very hard for players to get parlays to work because when the game is in 'bit's and pieces' mode, it is very hard for most players to read it)

Now reading the above and if you don't have an in-depth understanding of what's going on, it is likely to make you even more confused than before and unfortunately this is where the conversation can go around in circles and nothing gets revolved. That's nobody's fault really.

So what someone needs to do is build a framework and include indicators because as Soxfan said above and he is right, you don't want to be turning this into a guessing game because you will lose.

Things to work on are framework and indicators which will then make the 'bit's and pieces' mode become very readable. It's not easy admittedly but the reward will be there for you at the end of it all if you can do it successfully.

cheers

 

We (as players) all go through learning stages and it takes time to inch closer to something that really works. Where I think we make a mistake is looking for a 'bet selection' because that's too simplistic a notion. The game (all EC games) are more complex than a lot of people imagine with all the different twists and turns that can occur and the different varying lengths as well. To present the game as basically a 50/50 proposition is ok if you are just looking to have a bit of fun, but if you are seriously wanting to get to grips with the E.C's and profit frequently, you need to have a deeper understanding of how things run.

So rather than hunt for a simplistic bet selection in the hope that it works, my advice would be to drill down into the game and study what's happening. There are pretty much 3 components to the E.C's, chops, 2's and runs. You could choose to study some statistics about these but that won't really help you too much because each individual game that you play tends to have it's own unique characteristic to it favouring one or two components over the other and so really it's a game of information and our job is to decipher that information on a running basis throughout the game to see if we can align ourselves to it and bet accordingly.

Because of the nature of it ie.. 1's are more frequent than 2's and 2's more frequent than 3's etc... then the 'bits and pieces' mode will usually be more frequent than long runs of B or P and so the 1's and 2's and it can have you pulling your hair out / losing bet after bet if it's all changing rather rapidly.

To get around this, you can build a framework which can hopefully help you decipher the information that's currently happening within the game. To do this, you might do as I do and record multiple streams, one of those is to include a S (same) and D (difference) stream along with your main road.

As an example:

B
B S
P D
P S
B D
B S

Now that one is just a basic example, but you can see how the 2's in the B / P road becomes a 'chop' in the S / D road. So the object is to try and create a road which is easy to read where the other road may seem much more complex and undecipherable. You need to be able to do this in a tricky game where it's in bits and pieces mode and you don't have all day to come up with a possible bet.

One thing I have recently discovered after not really believing in it too much before is that a kind of RTM (return to mean) effect can present you with some really strong runs in some of the different streams. You can have a dominant bits and pieces mode just as strong as any 10-15 run of B or P and IMO, it's more likely to happen that way because of the nature of the game.

Rounding up, Baccarat is not a difficult game to overcome once you have a deeper understanding of the nature of E.C's but you need to be very alert of the possible constant changing nature of it. It is nice when you go on a long B run or P run for that matter, but don't count on it and learn how to operate skillfully when that's not presenting itself and you will be a better player for it.

 

Thanks, Baccaraou.
I'll take a closer look at your post. Yes, statistics are not a reliable thing, I realized this after studying Priyanka's cycles for a long time. But at least it gives some understanding, and the game is no longer built on the principle of chance, but more with an emphasis on known statistics.
When the dreaded 2s just appear. I wouldn't jump on them right away to create a deuce. I would place a bet after the probability of a deuce became a little more obvious - PPBBP - then I would bet 1 time on P.

A fresh idea is to create a flow of pairs
BB/PP - 1
BP/PB - 2
so in your example it would be 111.

 

If you eye-ball ppbbp then yer next wager should be b, every times. Anyone wanna say why that's so, hey hey?

 

Some good posts, baccarou. When it comes to bits and pieces there's a lot to look at and a lot to be aware of in the few seconds that we have to make a wager. It may be helpful to whittle things down to just a few bits and pieces. Whether it be DS or ODBL, DBL, length of series, side independent, RTM etc that's up to you. I think a lot of people play whatever seems to be dominant even if it's short-lived. Everyone should win some units on this shoe below. I made17 units and change on this one. I don't bet flat.

I bet on the chop one unit which allowed me to bet for the banker three and since I want it I kept on going. If bank went to I would have stopped and waited. I bet another bank after the third player and one that one as well. My next bet for a long Bank and broke even on the three Bank. Now there's no 2's in the shoe. I bet one more chop and then kept betting 2 goes 3 and also 3 stay 3. I stopped at the end because I lost two in a row.

I don't often make 17 units in a shoe but I usually can get two or three units pretty easy if I'm patient and I narrow things down to a few bits and piece presentments.
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Of course you don't have to go through all this trouble when you can simply wait for a Player and Bank and if you lose wait for three Players and bet Bank again. That way you can make thousands and thousands of dollars a month like soxfan does.

 

inSome good posts, baccarou. When it comes to bits and pieces there's a lot to look at and a lot to be aware of in the few seconds that we have to make a wager. It may be helpful to whittle things down to just a few bits and pieces. Whether it be DS or ODBL, DBL, length of series, side independent, RTM etc that's up to you. I think a lot of people play whatever seems to be dominant even if it's short-lived. Everyone should win some units on this shoe below. I made17 units and change on this one. I don't bet flat.
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I bet on the chop and one unit which allowed me to bet for the banker three and since I want it I kept on going. If bank went to I would have stopped and waited. I bet another bank after the third player and one that one as well. My next bet for a long Bank and broke even on the three Bank. Now there's no 2's in the shoe. I bet one more chop and then kept betting 2 goes 3 and also 3 stay 3. I stopped at the end because I lost two in a row.

I don't often make 17 units in a shoe but I usually can get two or three units pretty easy if I'm patient and I narrow things down to a few bits and piece presentments.
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Of course you don't have to go through all this trouble when you can simply wait for a Player and Bank and if you lose wait for three Players and bet Bank again. That way you can make thousands and thousands of dollars a month like soxfan does.

 

Query I wonder what the gr8888one would do if he eye-ball the ppbbp result outcome? The john-O would just harrumph and say claim it's all about money managements, anyways, hey hey.

 

Jimske,

Thanks for posting up part of that shoe and give a bit of a commentary. It's always good to see how other players are tackling things and it also proves that there is more than one way to skin a cat. I would have done pretty much similar to you results wise.

Soxfan,

John-O would have needed to be Rainman to run his strings and then use a complex bet selection as well. That's why he liked his templates. If you have a killer bet selection, then most MM stuff can work along with it unless you are some kamikaze pilot and vice versa as well I suppose.