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Roulette Roulette is not predictable...

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Sep 15, 2016.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Roulette is not predictable... Unless you have a biased wheel by some amazing luck of some dumb casino's neglect, barring that, the machines are very close to random.

    Some people think that they see prediction when they are only seeing coincidence. It's like recognizing a sailing ship floating across the sky in a passing cloud formation. It exists in your mind. But that's OK for Roulette too. It does not have to be real. It can be a coincidence of seeing a formation where one actually does not exist. Now it's very important to understand this point. Because of no law of any kind, or by any method of standard deviation or variance, the existence of a continuous characteristic of a trend, is only a formation formed in the mind of the person imagining it. It just looks like prediction. That's a form of associative thinking too. It's an acceptable form of confirmation bias that can work as a tool for you. You see a demonstration of a curved slope in a graph and you keep seeing it again out of convenience. That association is meaningless. There is no way that a kind of happiness, seeing a familiar graph over and over again, now brings success when it matters. A misunderstanding of the situations can lead you into the land of magical beliefs and that can get you into trouble at times.

    Any correlation or deduction to a fact that prediction is possible is a subjective conclusion. Seeing prediction is a formation of it's own. The idea that what you see in the past spins somehow predicts anything is an illusion. It just looks like it predicts things at times and nothing more than that.

    It's best to see what actually causes things and to see what it actually means.
     
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    I can see what number is going to hit next with high enough accuracy to win every session. I can't explain how to do it though, it is just something I learnt to do through a lot of practice and reading. This site helped immensely: MasterMinds » Roulette Focus

    My best results so far is hitting 4 consecutive numbers in a row, and hitting 7 out of 8 on a few occasions. I just get one hit per 3-4 spins on average.
     
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    Gizmo,

    Is this a form of catharsis of your beliefs and theories? How does this fit in reading randomness?
     
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  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Are you betting one number at a time? Let's add ESP to AP then. I'm just a little surprised at that link that so many can do it. I couldn't imagine a casino anywhere on the planet letting this go on long enough to let so many player's clean them out. Where's that story?
     
  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is just me trying to show that reading randomness is not a magical belief. It start's with snowman /Caleb's axiom regarding independent spins. There is no prediction in reading randomness. You don't need to know the future in order to catch a streak. You do need to know how to live with losses though. Your aggregate wins must compensate your aggregate losses. There are tons of forum members all over that discuss things like when to stop in a downward spiral of losses and things like stopping once you have reached your goal. These are topics about living with your losses too. It's not harmful to tell yourself that randomness is predictable. Sure it is. We all know that spins follow the basic value of long termed, large number results. Probability does not tell us when a large trend will start or stop. If it could, Roulette would have been done long ago.

    They are trying to say that randomness is predictable and then use variable change as an example, when everyone knows, variable change does not exist in the game of Roulette. The genius suggesting it, has said it applies to Roulette. That's not true. We have enough trouble arguing with Frequentist Absolutists without making statements bordering on fallacy. I don't see where giving them ammo helps at all. It is funny that I'm the one challenging this when it should be the FA's doing it. Did they miss this one? Perhaps they have given up trying?
     
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    Sometimes one number, mostly finals. 3-4 numbers. It depends on how clear the number is and whether it is a 2 digit number or just the singles 0-9.

    I don't think many can do it accurately enough to worry casinos, or if they can they keep a really low profile and don't get greedy. The Henry Sugar story is definitely worth reading. The one time I used this in a B&M casino, I got so much attention when I kept hitting single numbers I have not been back.
     
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    I once saw a guy walk up to a table at Tahoe and he called the zeros three times in a row, pocketed to stash, and left. Three spins and gone. I never saw him again. I truly wondered if he was a celebrity playing at the casino and somehow the casino gave him those three zeros in a row. This was long before I'd seen my first huge trend, 20 years earlier.
     

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    So glad I wasn't automatically informed of this thread lol.
    Stupid me for reading it anyway.
    Is anyone falling for this ? Laughs.
    Maybe the newbies who know little-to-nothing about roulette will believe this nonsense.
    What a waste of people's time.. shame on you
     
  9. gizmotron

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    Poor child. Can't take disagreement and you don't have a leg to stand on. Crack the law of third with "Hot Hand Fallacy" and you can fool some of the people some of the time. It's never going to be predictable. Your archaic video only proves that there is a consistency. What good is a belief in a prediction that by removing decaying particles or removing dice somehow predicts spins? There is no parallel conclusion here. You think that a law of thirds is proven by this video. The only thing that could possibly beat the law of thirds is a progression that doesn't break enough to kill it off before it has won enough to stay above even. Prove that and I will be impressed. The only genius that you are good at is sophistry. Oh yeah, Laughs. You are famous for your Rube Goldberg contraptions, or should I say worthless systems. Why don't you accept the idea that a fixed, rule based system must fail. Then you and your mesmerized followers can actually move on. "These are not the droids that you are looking for."
     
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    Perhaps this is just a disagreement of semantics. The law of third is a characteristic of randomness. It is not a firm form of prediction. No cycle of 37 numbers is the same. Three cycles of 37 spins, back to back, don't predict a useful future to the observer. All it ever does is balance out at the expectation of a loss at the expected rate. That is the only prediction, and that is not a constant in such a short duration. Variance and standard deviation experts have been all over this for years on the forums. There is no prediction going on here. It's nothing more than one of the more commonly known characteristics of randomness. Like I said, perhaps just a misunderstanding of semantics.
     
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    Is he talking to me - knowing I have him on 'ignore'. Lol. That's strange.
     
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    Ok, I might have cheated and clicked on "show ignored content". Fine. Laughs

    No, I know it is - that's what it means. That's how Random works.

    No thanks - impressing you is not on my list of things to do.

    As for the rest of this thread - nonsense.
    "I can see what number is going to hit next with high enough accuracy to win every session"
    Nonsense. You can tell me what number is going to hit next ? No.
    "It depends on how clear the number is and whether it is a 2 digit number or just the singles 0-9."
    This makes no sense. There is no difference in a number being one digit or two - consider #8 as #08 then. Now they all have 2 digits. Looking at just the last number has been proven to have no value.
    18 having a 8 at the end makes it no more important to "random" as 17 having a 7 at the end.
    "and he called the zeros three times in a row, pocketed to stash, and left."
    Laughs. How stupid do you think people are. I'm offended.
    Do you know the odds of playing a number, 3 spins and winning each spin ? Laughs.
    Outlandish stories should at least have a hint of possibility in them - change it to 2 spins and I might think
    it's possible.
    Anyway - carry on, this is nonsense. Share knowledge to help people win or if you don't have any to share - read and learn.
     
  13. gizmotron

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    Get your brain out of a blender Turbo. Some wack job drops in and goes ESP on this thread and you think that an off topic remark that crazy gives you some kind of right to stand on your throne. You are really stupid. You weren't there back in the 70's when I saw three greens called and hit in a row by a walk up player. All unfounded accusations and your requests to just see how stupid are really you.

    The law of third is not prediction. I can't believe you are that stupid. Variable change does not prove the existence of law of third results. If it did it would apply to Blackjack. And it does not.

    The only law of thirds is the reduction of number of dice itself. Funny how the reduction of the removed dice follows the similarities of law of thirds.

    A Roulette wheel does not reduce the number of slots. Apples and oranges.
     
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    "You weren't there back in the 70's when I saw three greens called and hit in a row by a walk up player."

    No lol. In the 70's I was probably drooling a lot and shitting in my diaper - which would have more value today than thinking that event really happened.
    But anyway - like I said - carry on. It's entertainment. The serious folks will skim over it and laugh and move on.

    "I can't believe you are that stupid." - Thank you. (I think.... that was a compliment right ?)
    Anyone can chart roulette spins and see the obvious - there's no reason to argue over it.
    X amount of numbers don't show up, Y amount of numbers show once, Z amount of numbers show twice.... etc...
    Chart it - it makes a cool pyramid. Looks like those charts in that video. It's far from 100% accurate for predictions - luckily the house edge is so small that there's plenty of room to spare.
    (which is from the 60's - only 10ish years before you saw the guy walk up and pick a specific winner 3 spins in a row..
    at least it's a video and I can see it for myself.)
    Wait - maybe I should 'teach' and have you sign up for a class ? I promise it won't take more than 10 minutes of your time, for a small fee. No refunds ! Laughs.
    It would be fun if this forum would start a "game" page like the other site had - (minus the cheaters of course).
    I'm rambling - better things to do - wanders off laughing.

    (I took you off ignore now - I can't resist looking to see what was said. It must be a flaw I have.. I'll work on that)
     
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    Does anyone consistently win with your pyramid scam? Did you like that one? Nobody has effectively used the law of thirds to beat Roulette. Have you done it? It would be all over the internet if you had.

    BTW, I have my Ai project placing bets after making reading randomness decisions and the results of each bet are showing up now. I just have to get it to put the telemetry in the right places that work the same as when artificial intelligence is turned off. I taught my training software to think for itself. You ever do anything like that. I'd love to see you create a LOT sim that is proof of success. Looking at a chart is not the same as the computer looking at the chart. Do that TG.
     
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    Laughs. Wow.
    I'm almost sure that you're insane now.
    But -
    I don't know what that means.
    Ok..
    Yes..
    No it wouldn't. Why would it ?
    No.... Laughs.
    Please get on the proper medications and report back so we can have a conversation.
    BTW, I made a bot to read your posts and reply to them. I taught my training forum bot to do that.....
    Laughs my ass off. Thanks man, you made my night.
     
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    Since Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone isn't here - I'll step up to the plate lol (You owe me one now lol)

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  18. gizmotron

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    You charts look like "pyramids," In your own words.

    Look what my bot just did: That's flat betting looking for the best sleepers.


    Code:
    
    wLwwwwwLwLwwwwLwLLLwwwwwLLwwwLwwLLwLwLLwwwwwLwLwwLwwwwwLwwLwwwwwwwLwLwLww
    
    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |       X |       X | X       | P | -- 27
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       | X       | X       | P | -- 1
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |       X |       X |   | -- 21
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   |  # 8 -- Won -- 12 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Lost  -- -12 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       |    X    | P |  # 4 -- Won -- -2 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 10 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- 22 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   |  # 23 -- Won -- 34 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 3 -- Won -- 46 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Lost  -- 22 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Won -- 34 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Lost  -- 10 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 22 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 34 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 46 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 58 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P |  # 11 -- Lost  -- 34 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       |    X    | P |  # 4 -- Won -- 46 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Lost  -- 22 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P |  # 17 -- Lost  -- -4 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Lost  -- -28 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- -16 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   |  # 16 -- Won -- -4 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 8 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Won -- 20 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 32 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Lost  -- 8 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Lost  -- -16 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 19 -- Won -- -4 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 8 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 20 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |-------------------| X       | P |38 -- Lost  -- -4 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   |  # 16 -- Won -- 8 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 20 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Lost  -- -4 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Lost  -- -28 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- -18 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |-------------------| X       | P |38 -- Lost  -- -42 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P |  # 11 -- Won -- -30 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |-------------------| X       | P |38 -- Lost  -- -54 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 -- Lost  -- -78 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- -66 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 -- Won -- -54 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 -- Won -- -42 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 12 -- Won -- -30 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- -18 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Lost  -- -42 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- -32 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- -56 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- -44 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- -32 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Lost  -- -56 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 12 -- Won -- -44 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Won -- -32 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Won -- -20 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1
    |       X |       X |       X |   |  # 33 -- Won -- -8 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 -- Won -- 2 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   |  # 23 -- Lost  -- -24 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 15 -- Won -- -12 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- 0 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    | X       |    X    | X       | P |  # 2 -- Lost  -- -24 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P |  # 17 -- Won -- -12 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |-------------------| X       | P |37 -- Won -- -2 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   |  # 14 -- Won -- 8 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 20 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 32 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   |  # 8 -- Won -- 44 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 56 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Lost  -- 32 -- ( 0's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 42 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next) @ 1
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- 16 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       |    X    | P |  # 4 -- Won -- 28 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 1
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Lost  -- 4 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 1
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 16 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 28 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 1
    
     
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    Ok.... (looks at what your bot just did)

    You went from +12 to -12
    then up from -12 to +58
    then down from +58 to -28
    then up from -28 to +32
    then down from +32 to -16
    then up from -16 to +20
    then down from +20 to -78
    then up from -78 to +2 eventually
    then down from +2 to -24 then back up to break even
    then back down to -24 then back up to 56 and then
    dropped back down to +28

    I conclude that your bot has had a negative swing down to -78 and a positive swing up to +58
    Your 'ending balance' is right about where anyone guessing betting locations would be based on
    luck. I see no advantage whatsoever in what it's doing - you decided to end the run when it was in the
    positive though, so that's a plus.
     
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    Turbo.

    A mature, cool guy like youself. I am surprised you even entertain this place

    Bet selection and even RF dot cc is better then this craziness.

    Why do you seclude yourself to this insane asylum

    I dont care if steve was a scammer, or using a roulette forum monopoly to surpress anything but what he sells. Its still better then the insanity on this forum.

    You are better then this....
     
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