Intro Im an AP, lets smash the casinos together!!

Your credibility took a hit on that 1 MICK.

 

IJ wasn't out yet when I left Nevada. Big fucking deal. I'm glad you think I'm a whacko. But I can tell you one thing. You dint have the talent asshole to find all the Montana plays.

 

You guys have like 7 casinos with like 100-300 slot machines in them a piece. There's not much to find, which is why I laugh at you claiming you haven't lost in 9 years, unless of course you're saying you haven't stepped foot in these places in 9 years. That's understandable.

 

Lol! I dont know whats worse. Arguing with your phony ass or going into town to vote. I voted for Trump. I will be surorised if he wins. We are all at the bar now knocking down shots. We want to be drunker than pigs when the next POTUS is announced. We're either going to be saying "fucking asshole" or "fucking bitch."

 

Ozzy, to me a losing day is going out and only making a couple hundred dollars. I have super strong plays. The tile breaker game is a recent arrival to Montana. All it did was put one more weapon in my arsenal. I have over a dozen different plays that are a hell of a lot stronger than the tile breakers.

What exotard doesn't understand is how strong a 10% edge is on a five-spot keno game that plays at 40 games per minute. With a frequency of 1551 it's an average 40 minute play. How many plays like that do you think I can put down in one day.

I have one five-spot keno play that has a 20% meter on it and a 29% drop between solid five hits. The ploppies just have to miss the solid five for one cycle to put it on a play. From that point I can miss the solid five for 3 cycles and the meter will still be higher than the amount of money I have in the machine. It's super strong stuff.

Nine years ago I made the decision to stay in Montana...and not go back to Nevada. It was a trade off of sorts. There is a cap on the amount of money to be made here. At that time it was worth about $300 a day. But it was $300 in the bank everyday. Absolutely no downswings. My best year in Nevada was about 80K with a lot of downswings. I took a lot of losing days. I chose Montana over Nevada because there are no downswings here. It's simply the easiest AP'ing I've ever done in my life. And I haven't had a losing day in the nine years I've been here.

I know it is hard to believe by you and others. But it is simply the truth. I know it for myself and thats the only thing that counts.

 

Exotard, now you're messin' with a son of a bitch. I got drunk with these guys in a bar in Juneau, Alaska 30 years ago. Great guys.

 

Guy has less machines in his entire state than I have in a single casino, keeps talking.

Ease off the Sauce Mickey, ,retirement can be a miserable thing if you let it.

 

The 20% progressive meter I'm talking about is not a classic progressive meter where a percentage of the wager is going into the meter.

It's a five-spot play where when you hit 3 out of 5 it puts two bets into the meter. The frequency of 3 out of 5 is 11.93 so 2/11.93 = 16.76%

When you hit 4 out of 5 it puts 3 bets into the meter. The frequency is 82.7. So 3/82.7 = 3.63%.

Add them together and it's 20.39% meter movement.

When you hit the solid five you get the money in the meter.

This is the strongest meter movement I've ever found anywhere. In Nevada the strongest meter movement I ever found was 10% on a Tens or Better game at Harvey's in Lake Tahoe.

 

So you were looking to share information, eh? So why are you telling me to shuttup about WM? The shit you put up on WoV about Mystery Progessives was about half a clue. You took the "halfway theory" to mean when the meter is halfway to the top. That's not what the halfway theory means. That is the name they put on it after I explained to them how mystery progressives work. But it is not a theory, it is the facts. So let's see if you can explain what the halfway theory is.

The original MP's in this country were IGT's. It was called Lucky Coin Bonus System. You did not need a penny push to get the meter. I haven't played them in nine years so they could be different today.

You were not correcting me on WoV because I wasn't allowed to put my 2 cents in. I watched with amusement as you talked down to everyone on the forum. Anyone with a different point of view was castigated by you. I knew you would pull the same shit here so I put my boot in your ass first just to let you know who you are fucking with.

 

About 18,000 machines in Montana. And guess what. The largest jackpot by state law is just $800. How the fuck can a guy make it in a place like that? Don't waste your time coming here, exotard. We're all broke. LMAO!

 

BeachedWhale hasn't seen her pussy for 49 years.

 

So you haven't, eh? Then what the fuck is this:

 

So what's up tongue tied motherfucker? Are you still willing to say you never PM'd me asking me to teach you?

 

It looks like our resident "best of all time" machine pro, Exotard, has ran off and hidden somewhere. That's what dirty little yellow bellied cowards do. No guts, no glory, Exotard.

 

Let's leave Axel out of this, stop invoking my name and let me speak for myself. Thanks.

EXotor you kinda come off like gangbusters(Kinda like the OP, if you know what I mean). It's as if you have something to prove, crave attention and or want to promote yourself. In my experience that's usually a sign of someone who's greatly over exaggerating their income and knowledge. Oftentimes they are looking to get something, either free information, banking or in on some better stuff.
I'm not claiming that about you, i'm just sayin. So no need to tell us how great you are, yada, yada yada. I have nothing against you really, honestly I just don't know what to think. Perhaps one day our paths will cross and I'll understand more about what your deal is.

There's been some people who make outrageous claims about all the money and crap they are doing. they oftentimes want to write books or have some angle. Then I'll come to find out they are actually working for someone, they actually don't have much money or can't actually perform whatever they are fluffing up themselves.

Regarding attacking you on WOV. IIRC You were making some fairly outrageous money claims and insinuations. So I had to wonder and engaged further.

Indian Jones: I guarantee I found and played that long before you. I remember whatever you said about it at the time at WOV, you didn't actually know the main trick to it, nor did many others, however I explained it because I assumed it was obsolete and if not there's probably a gaggle of hustlers camping out drastically depreciating the value.

Didn't you claim you would pay a bunch of money for a green stamps? Well I have one for you including a good promotion that puts it at +EV. Make your offer. (Let me guess you're no longer interested?) Actually we had two, unfortunately we killed it on a promotion.

Mickey can do as he pleases he's got his thing and it is what it is. I'm interested in what he's playing as a curiously more than anything.It's been years since I heard about Montana and I haven't ran out there, and don't plan to unless I have a different reason or for a vacation.

I don't single out any one person talking about AP I have concerns about everyone, but mostly current viable methods and good promotions. MC usually talks about good machines from the past and I take no issue about that. If he talks about his Montana plays god bless him. I don't think he's trying to kill plays or whatever.

I'm sometimes concerned that old stories get casinos and AP's thinking beyond what they normally would. Sometimes casino avoid doing something because of this, or darksiders get educated, or AP's learn and target machines or plays and it costs me money.Image if Dancer never knew about the Revel 100k loss rebate. Look at what happen because of darkoz.

I don't want people knowing certain methods. I see it all the time someone figuring something out by watching you {that can't be avoided you just hope they are always one step behind) or because they read about it. . So ya I prefer not to educate everyone. 2 "new" AP's recently cost us a significant amount of value, more than 1k per hour by getting their first and snapping up 2 good machines. All wasn't lost, however you get my point?

However, Mickey... you almost cost me a bunch of money at Mermaids and the place across the street club bayou bay or whatever its called. I already had plans in place and played that with a few others, we basically had it to ourselves.

A few Ap showed up late, however they didn't really bother because we already had hundreds of tickets and most of the drum, except for the crowd and a few persistent ploppies. We got some of the drawings, however the ploppies got extremely lucky, and us, unlucky.We should've had both top prizes but didn't get either. We significantly understand how busy it would be that night with college kids descending on the place. All the machines were being played at mermaids, fortunately not across the street.

 

Well you're lucky, I have lost on a 144% $1 4 coin 5 spot and played over 3 cycles.

One of us lost a significant amount at the Plaza(A 10% advantage) including bonuses over many hours of play, some on 2 machines. Obviously it can go the other way, one of us made over 20k beating the machines silly.

 

Your play here has jogged my memory. I now remember having a losing day. It was on a play similar to the one you put up here. It was a $1 bet and it took me like 13 cycles to hit the five-spot a total of 5 times. Though I only lost $500 on the play it took up so much time that I wasn't able to make up the money that day on other plays.

My longest stretch on a five-spot is 9800 games, about 6.3 cycles to hit the solid five.

 

I wrote about several other plays in the slots forum that exoter had no complaints about. That's because he didn't know about those plays so learned about them from me. But as soon as I write about a game he knows I get blasted by him for writing about it. He wants his plays to be a big secret. But he will gladly read about any play I write about that he doesn't know.

The one thing I didn't disclose about Jackpot Rockets and Chambers of Gold is I rarely get a play off them anymore. When a new game comes out the ploppies are all over it. If it is exploitable then I get to make a lot of money off the ploppie action so will play that game almost exclusively. But after about six months or a year the ploppie action slows down and I might only derive 5% or 10% of my income from it.

And after several years the ploppie action has dried up to the point that I only get a rare play on it. So I don't mind writing about the game at that point.

One thing I have to live through is the installation of new games. No matter who the manufacturer is, when they install a new game, the progressive and/or banking features on the other games will go back to reset. That's illegal in Nevada but not so here. And when the exploitable game on the machine has been out for a few years the ploppies just don't give it much action anymore. So it can be months or even a year or so before I start making money on that game again.

I'm used to having a game or two out of action for awhile when a manufacturer installs new games. But it was about six months ago that three different manufacturers installed new games at the same time. They do this to every machine they have in the state. My income took a big hit, cut almost in half. It's been painfully slow for the plays to come back. I'm not banking money like I was. But I'm in no danger of everything drying up.

 

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Hey, that worked often enough for me, and I'm pretty sure I ended up marrying one of them 25 years ago.