Roulette What if I told you...

I wrote to you over at BS using the PM process a few days ago. I was able to see that you had not showed up at the school for quite a while and you did not respond to my PM at BS so I figured you might have moved on. TG suspects you of being a Troll. He tends to reason things out so I gave that some validity too. I'll PM you. If what you said above is true then you will have a chance to tell me. Did you bother to download the AI charting program? Did you see any of the versions that use the progression? My method is diametrically apposed to using math to take advantage of opportunities. Math is completely irrelevant. Math can't tell you when a win streak will occur.

 

I apologize for that, I assumed you guys were following a couple other threads that I was in, and had read my comments here about being an "on the road" AP.

My "Free time" is incredibly limited as I'm usually on the road anywhere from 4-6 days per week, and I don't have a laptop, so my access to forums and such is inherently limited or nonexistent if you don't "Have an app for that", and as I had mentioned to you, because of the election going on, on Tuesday night, I'd be waiting until Wednesday to really give your information the full depth that it deserved. I had not downloaded the AI charting program yet, as I had skipped ahead in my reading to a more specific section that I found applicable to my interests, and started mapping your thoughts to a vulnerable situation that I had found a while back to see if an advantage could be had.

That being said, I wouldn't call math irrelevant, especially in this case, the problem is most people are using the wrong forms of mathematics to figure it all out.

Similar to what TG said about it not being 1+1=2. He's not an idiot, but he's afraid to put anything out there because a guy like me would notice it was fraught with mathematically unsound propositions, and likely trash it. He's not wrong there, either.

He's in a lose/lose situation, because he can't prove his system works, even though he's claimed it, and if he exposes the proof or the system, he allows someone to find the "other" half of the equation, being the system or the proof. In doing so, the majority says "The math doesn't add up, he is wrong!", while the minority says "Well hold on here, he's on to something", so ultimately his system or "whatever" is unpopular, despite there potentially being something there that the "math pros" didn't see, because they were blinded by the belief that no negative expectation game could be beaten because every action sees a negative expectation.

I've been IN his shoes before, I know the sticky situation that it is, and I'm asking him to prove it, not because I don't want to believe him, but because he said he's already proven it. I want that "already proven" proof.

 

I'm fascinated by my students that won't tell me if they have benefited from my school and information that have clearly shown in easy to find places. The most powerful phenomenon in the world of gambling is the perfect pattern that tends to last for about 30 spins in a row. I have seen it four times in my life and killed the casino every time it happened. I gamble about 1000 hours per year. In 14 years of gambling I only saw these "Elegant Patterns" only 4 times. When I first talked about them at Gamblers Glen Forum I was rebuked by the entire gambling community. It was pure hogwash to every member of that forum. Now it's been ten years or more that I disclosed their existence. I still wonder to this day if anyone gambling out there has seen a perfect pattern form up in front of their eyes and run its full course.

I guess I could write an Elegant Pattern algorithm to prove they exist. Anyone else could write one just to prove me wrong. Can you imagine what you could do to a casino if you knew what the next 25 spins in the single dozens might be? I know this is very rare but it is ridiculous to ignore such an event.

Same goes for the all to often Global Effect. You can have a characteristic type of trend that changes locations but continues for hours. I know. I saw it happen for 4 hours once. Anyway, there's already very much of what I do in this thread. It should be enough for you to research it.

 

As much as I appreciate the comments back and forth - didn't you (Gizmo) start your own thread so that you can play out this conversation ? Just curious.
I've been clear with Exoter - he will only be happy when I give him every detail and instruction that anyone can do.
If I fail to do so (for my own reasons) then he will continue to believe what he believes - and I'm 100% ok with that.
I point people in directions and tell them that things are possible.
When I need to share my proof I will do so - and not on a wide open internet forum.. in the appropriate place and time.

That was an offer to "set me up for a lifetime" - as I said, I'm not interested. If you want to know the math behind what I've done - it is available to anyone.... that is how math works. There's no secrets to math is there ?
""Similar to what TG said about it not being 1+1=2. He's not an idiot""

Glad that you're paying attention.

 

Today's incredibly short casino session (due to time limitations) -
Flat betting only $25's - NO progression used.
Feel free to throw rocks and call it all lies - or look for the answer yourself.

 

let's see if I can read this graph.

it goes flat like no bets for 10 spins
on the 11th spin you win $890
then it goes flat, like no bet for 8 more spins
on spin 19 it loses steady for 8 spins down to $390
on spin 28 it rises $830 to $1220
from spin 28 to spin 41 it slides back down to $650
at spin 42 it rises $830 to $1480
from spin 42 to spin 51 it drops $1120 down to $360
from 51 to 52 it wins $790 back up to $1150
from spin 52 to 56 it drops to $920
at spin 56 it wins $870 and goes back up to $1780
two more spins drops it to $1710
on the 60th spin it goes up $880 to $2590

How'd I do?

 

OK I get it. It's single number bets at $25 each. You hit a single number 6 times in 60 spins.

 

I started playing one number (it won on the first spin that I placed a bet on) - that moved to eventually playing 7 numbers at once, well within my limits.
and no need for the progression (this time).
I placed a total of 112 units over 60 total spins (around 40 were bet on)
I had 6 wins total and 106 losing bets placed.
Biggest drawdown was $1,075.00 and ended +$2,600.00

 

interesting

 

Gizmo started his own thread to spinoff my commentary towards him, my commentary towards you is still ongoing as you continue to backpedal from your "proof".

You keep talking about being able to point people in the right direction and tell them things are possible, I can too. There's a blackjack table, learn to count. Poof, I'm a Turbo Genius.

As far as the "offer" is concerned, you're focusing on the past, I'm focused on the present. That quote you used out of context, is a "tit for tat" response to your refusal to post the math. I wasn't offering, in that post, to bankroll you with a team, I was using it as leverage in argument against your lack of evidence, lack of proof, and lack sound theory supporting it.

I'd like to know more, not because I want to use it, but because I know you'd be tap dancing on so much bullshit you'd be making mudpies for weeks, and that entertains me. Nothing in the AP/Gambling world is more entertaining than a guy claiming to have beaten the game of Roulette, but won't show or tell anyone how.

In another thread here, discussing WoV, Axel makes a post about certain criteria that for better or worse, "makes someone" a verified AP, one could take that very post he made, trim it up a bit, and use it here to validate and verify you, but I don't see people lining up in droves to come and support that your system works because they've seen it work time after time after time. I'm sure people will absolutely believe you because you're a founding member who has given a lot of good information over the years, but I doubt any reasonable human being is going to jump in the line of fire to validate your "system" working and put their hide under fire as well. So many thousands of people have tried, Turbo, men and women MUCH MUCH smarter than you or I, its absurd to believe you've beaten THE GAME rather than a specific flaw a casino's offering of the game, or tying it to a promotion.

I can show everyone here how to beat E-Craps 24/7/365, I can show them how to beat a very specific game of E-Roulette as well, but both of them are due to flaws, not because the game itself lends itself to being beaten.

I KNOW I KNOW, PICK ME PICK ME

The answer is, "You made the graph on a computer, showing you've made money, and posted it on the internet as 'proof' of winning".

Again, unless you're using a game flaw to your advantage here, you've got nothing "proof positive" to give us, just a little horn tooting about your good luck.

 

Then "we" have nothing else to discuss do we ?
Have a nice day.

 

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He did point people exactly in the right direction. It was never meant to be proof. It was meant to show what he was doing. He shared everything. Funny how an expert like you missed it. And no, I won't give you any hints either. It's all there if you bother to dig it up.

You have no idea who you are debating with. TG is the de facto crash test dummy for any mechanized system regarding Roulette conceivable. I know this because I have spent decades trying to find a mechanized method or system that takes advantage of randomness. I have always thought that a most likely not-to-happen event or a most likely to-happen event was the key to finding it.

So TG's original idea has enough merit for me to write some more computer code and Brute Force test it. This is for my own amusement and the possibility that it might actually work or lead to something that will. If it does not work some times then I will know when and why. I keep almost all of these systems to myself, like finding the mother load in a stream and keeping the location secret. I'm not sure why Turbo shared it. The entire thread is interesting though.

 

Well, since you're not willing to "prove" your "claims", or "walk the talk" as they say, no we really don't have much else to say about this. I will, however, continue to hound you on your claims as I see fit, because you're misrepresenting them.

You simply cannot walk into any casino, do what he claims he's doing, and make money day after day, week after week, year after year, lifetime after lifetime. It can't be done in the manner in which he does not actually describe. Yet here he is, pretending like he's some kind of demi-god, force feeding you guys bullshit about a system working, a system that he likely isn't even going to a casino to test, and likely just typed in "Harrahs.wtf" so you'd buy into it because you were being naive and gullible.

There's absolutely a way to beat a version of Roulette out there, and I know of it. Straight up, day in and day out, beatable. I just wanted to know if he's piggybacking on that very foundation, or if he's just like EVERYONE else, and spewing bullshit over the most gullible and naive group of gamblers in the casino.

 

Quit complaining and figure it out. This is not rocket science.

 

I'm not complaining, I have it figured out. He's a liar, and he's pushing a progression as well as some sort of "tracking system" that cannot be put together on a random game in a random part of the country, to win.

He's a liar, I've already made that much clear, and posting his graph that my little nephew could make, proves nothing.

He's already balked on the idea of becoming rich just showing me that it works, not necessarily HOW it works.

 

You don't have any money and are clearly coming off here as a beggar. You tell just enough to expose yourself as a guy with your hand out looking for something that will save his life. What a joke. Begging on a gambling forum. Geez.

 

No - I do walk the walk and showed what happened - I can post daily charts of my play but that would just seem to rile you up more wouldn't it - you refuse to look for the answers yourself.
And it's not as "they" say - it's what "you're" saying.

You understand that comment makes no sense whatsoever - you have already said what I'm doing is impossible. Your mind is made up - but you can't let it go and move on.

Wow ! I always replay my live sessions in RX because it does a much better job of recording the plays as I can do on paper - and it give me all of the statistics that I need. I label my live play sessions with the date and casino. Is that so hard to believe ? That automatically makes me a liar ? Laughs.
I'm not sure what you have against me - but that's your choice. I can use the ignore button I suppose but I truly hate to use that - even YOU can benefit from what I'm saying if you would just think about it instead of automatically throwing everything I say into your "trash heap of lies". That's your issue though, not mine.
You really need to get over the "prove it to me" mentality, it's not getting you anywhere.
I don't remember getting on a plane and storming the cabin demanding the pilot explain how flight works and that I won't sit in my seat until he proves to me that the plane can fly. Why not just sit down and learn if you are truly interested ? Are you above learning something new that you didn't think was possible ? Then I can't help you and no one else can either.

I already said - any casino with a live dealer, or RNG if that's what you prefer. Does "random" change due to who is spinning the wheel ? No. It's math.

I'm not sure why every time I see one of your posts - there's nothing there. Is it a forum issue or are you going back to delete what you said ? I'm interested in your comments.

 

@ Bombus, unless that's dirt on my screen, it's a period. He's saying period, that says it all.'

 

Moving on. It's so simple. And the juices are definitely flowing about a practical progression. Thanks for the idea of it TG.