Roulette What if I told you...

I don't think he's tested on very many spins. Maybe a thousand would be my guess.

However, I've tested such ideas over millions of spins over the years. I have a simulator that does so on live spins. If you want to understand what the results were, then I can explain them.

 

i agree!
The reason i ask the above is because i have 160 odd spins that i recently lost on and when i looked at them again using Turbos progressions my loss would have been huge! Now i know for some 160 something spins is nothing but if id been using Turbos aggressive progression i would have been down near on £17,000.00 as its a £10 minimum and even the 5/25 would have been £10,000.00 odd down, So i think its fair we know what is needed if someone says roulette is beatable with regards finance and time(also id be able to see if id got my bet selection wildly wrong!)
I have said many times Turbo has improved my roulette play from my days of the third back H/L repeating bet with a martingale

 

Fire away and whats your simulator?

 

Can you post your spins? Would be interesting to see how you playing across those spins.

 

I absolutely agree with you "Dr.Sir" that Turbo faces with lack of real casino experiences. To visit casinos once on two months is absolutely nothing, so he really cannot have many recorded numbers. But if he does have 2k numbers, this is still nothing.

I don't know if he plays airball machines too, but claiming that his system cannot lose on any electronic device, is absolutely unfair.

You know what I really wish, that you and Turbo would meet once, then you really would enlighten him. Mystery to me is only why is he so much frighten of such a meeting with you, because after all he is not so bad guy at all.

 

Will do might be later in the week though.

 

ROFLMAO - really ? Wow.

I don't play airball machines - why would I ? I also didn't say something beats electronic devices - I said roulette. Where you sit at a table and a dealer spins the wheel and releases a ball - numbers appear as winners......... If you think sitting behind a computer screen where the outcome can be planned out ahead of time then you aren't playing real roulette. You're playing a video game and the casino can control how much and how often it pays out. Play actual roulette and learn math - it might help.

That's a mystery to me too - mostly the mystery is what the hell you're talking about though.

Annnnnnnnnnd you guessed wrong. Never assume. So you think I would work on something - test it over only a thousand spins and then post about how great it was without KNOWING what I'm talking about ?
Maybe you're just trying to insult me to piss me off. That's the only possible reason you would say that.

This comment makes no sense. If you were up $100,000.00 and lost 10K you wouldn't care or call it something that loses - you would still be up a huge amount. You don't know how I play or the specific progression yet you would have lost using "Turbo's progression" ? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

And in the event that you somehow "knew" exactly what I'm talking about and played it and lost....
I just got insulted for supposedly only playing 1,000 spins - therefore I supposedly don't know what I'm talking about..... yet you can pull out 160 spins and hold that up as some claim that whatever you think I'm talking about doesn't work. How absurd is that.
Once again - I have no idea why I even bother.

 

Youve taken me the wrong way Turbo but thats fine!
I used the progressions you mentioned earlier using the bet selection you showed with a graph. Im not saying this is the way you 100% play but if you hold them up as examples is it wrong to test and try and improve by using these? I believe that if i carried on for more spins it might have come good as it has when ive played online but if i can expect to have periods of time when i could be down as much a 10 15 or 20 thousand pounds in a casino then i will have to wait to play this way when i can hopefully afford to and only play this way online low limits for now! I just wanted confirmation or see if i was doing something wrong?
I never held up 160 spins and said it doesnt work?? again just wanted confirmation that this can sometimes be expected?
The only thing id say about your responce is what if i lost the 10 grand at the start? obviously for you that's not a problem....

 

TG – I wouldn't take it personally. I can only assume they were trying to get you back on this thread with bollocks talk!
But if they weren't then from whats been said they obviously haven't read half of your posts or realise your level of experience.
And I think Shanks wasn't having a go. He's understands the basics of the method and is just frustrated by 'his' method of playing it not showing a profit from 4 cycles. Thats why I think it would be useful to see his numbers.

 

Agreed.
That is the problem with reading someone's text as it's written.
It's a bit difficult to see the true meaning of how they are trying to say something.
I stand by my comments though - as they are replies to what he said.
It's entirely possible to have a bad cycle of spins. But claiming that "Turbo's" "anything" works or doesn't
when it's a guess how it works isn't a fair claim to make.
The other posters - no idea. I'm scared to meet someone in a casino ? I have no experience ? lol.
It's just trolling to get a reaction, and usually I fall for that. I should work on that.

 

Also just to clarify after reading some of the posts the "i agree" was aimed at Fossels such a shame post! sorry if that has confused?
I honestly just wanted to know if a 2000 unit drop is to be expected at times?
I dont run 1000's of numbers etc but if someone can recommend something i'll try and learn how to do it. i use numbers ive recorded from casinos when playing for real and try stuff online.
Im happy to post numbers but keep them at work so will do this later in the week.

 

Still dont get where ive said your way doesnt work? just said using the progressions you've suggested over the numbers i played would have made my loss a lot worse! again just wanted to know if this kind of level of loss can be expected over some spins before recovering or was i doing something very wrong? Maybe i didnt explain properly but ive never said it doesnt work!

 

I get

I get the impression that maybe you used too heavy a progression and might have been chasing your losses to heavily on a flat cycle. You can see on some graphs that losses can go way down if your pulling some flat results but the maths suggest that would recover later if you can afford to keep going.
Ive certainly seen a 74 spin count recently not throw any 4's out. It was dead flat 2's and 3's.
However, if you approach a run like that from a different perspective and weren't looking for 4's but 3's instead. Well the results would be quite different.

 

Well I think Jefra is new and was speculating. Sir Anyone, I thought knew you better?!

 

Turbo, do not be so sensitive ;-)

 

The progression part doesn't matter. If a system doesn't win flat betting, then it doesn't work with a progression.

By the way, I'm not having a dig at Turbo. Turbo is a good guy. I hope it doesn't come across like that.

 

I think thats what the next 'part' was going to demonstrate. A progression can help overcome the house edge. If you are fairly sure of a given outcome within a certain amount of spins, and a flat bet falls short on that outcome. Then why not build in a progression that more than overcomes the shortfall given that you expect certain results to happen.

 

Fossell,

Your expectation moving forward should always be the long term expectation. If the long term expectation is negative, then you can not multiply a negative number times a positive number and produce a positive outcome. Your progression will not even make the slightest dent in the house edge. In other words, unless you have the edge over the casino, the progression part is worthless over time.

However, if you do have the edge, then your expectation is positive. At this point the most effective progression that you can possibly use is one that represents a percentage of your bankroll.

 

The problem with progressions is that they need to go way past the house limits in order to finally beat the game into submission. You might need a bankroll of seven figures to earn a chicken feed outcome. You can do better starting a good business.

 

I just cant do the progression thing anymore, not even one step into it. I had sheets and sheets full of progressions. It took me a LONG TIME to accumulate them all. They went into the trash a few years ago. (it was tough throwing them out, lol)

Play only a few numbers, flat betting and CHOOSE YOUR NUMBERS FOR A DAMN GOOD REASON !!!!!!!!

I must have 7 times the gross (of a hit) for my BR and at 1.5 times (a gross hit) as my win/goal, out the door.

EXAMPLE being >> lets say I am using $10 units (maybe playing 3 numbers). 350x7 is $2,450 as my BR needed.

1.5 of a gross hit is >> $525 is my win/goal, done, go home.....its my 1.5/7 RULE and I follow it like the Bible.

Ken