Roulette Random explained - somewhat

If you were half way there the first post would make sense and most of the rest is just the usual filler. Don't give up so easy

 

Well said - if you can't read and tell what is nonsense and what isn't - or think that everything has equal value, then it's not even worth reading. Skip the nonsense and take in the usable info - it's how people learn.

 

I'll run another large group of spins and verify that to make a point that's being missed.

cycle of 1,000 / 15 "hottest numbers" from last 1,000 spins only
1 / 9,6,35,23,10,14,18,36,21,30,7,2,26,1,25 (first 1,000 just recorded)
2 / 32,15,14,33,21,30,7,34,24,23,12,28,6,5,0 (second 1,000 = 6 of 15 that remain "hot")
3 / 19,26,3,13,30,18,32,16,0,27,20,4,10,31,9 (third 1,000 = 3 of 15 that remain "hot" from the last cycle)
4 / 29,14,36,31,24,33,15,27,18,2,23,9,7,35,34 (fourth 1,000 = 4 of 15 that remain "hot" from the last cycle)
(30 cycles of spins run off now to simulate that "cruise" where you're no longer
playing and recording stats. - and now re-starting again when you return)
35 / 15,26,2,0,16,22,34,35,17,4,25,11,30,21,13 (fifth 1,000 = 4 of 15 that remain "hot" from the 4th cycle)

So, in this aspect - "Those 5 hot numbers will with confidence be just as likely to perform as effectively as they would have if you continued the current session 3 weeks ago." is true. Why ? Law of the Third - something the "anti" system people say doesn't exist. If we can "predict" X amount of numbers will remain "hot" from one cycle through the next cycle - we can benefit from betting them with a progression to cover the losses from the numbers that "don't" appear as hot in the following cycle.
I never understand why people can be pro-math and anti-system at the same time, they go together perfectly and can be demonstrated over and over again.

 

So now you're claiming the law of third helps you win? That's as absurd as saying that the law of 18/38 helps you determine the best numbers on which to bet. It's nonsense.

A quick visit to the wizardofodds would benefit most posters on this forum.

 

I'm claiming that repeaters are going to happen... you deny this obvious fact ?
That (so called) law just shows in very nice detail how the stats end up over time due to repeaters and random.
It's nonsense because you won't understand it I suppose. Wizard of Anti-systems is not going to give anyone info to help them win, other than to point them away from what works. Now why would anyone do that ?
We already know the answer to that one.

 

There is no such thing as a "hot" number

This is about as classic an example of the gamblers fallacy that you can have. The belief that previous events influence future events.

Also, I love how you call a 37-1 win rate paying 35-1 "no advantage" since that it the entire advantage of roulette!

 

So numbers never repeat.
Wow - I had to recheck - maybe ALL of my research and play has been wrong all along !!!!!
00 wheel -
cycle / total #s that show at least once / total #s that don't show
1 / 24 / 14
2 / 25 / 13
3 / 21 / 17
4 / 30 / 8
5 / 25 / 13
6 / 26 / 12
7 / 20 / 18
8 / 25 / 13
9 / 25 / 13
10 / 25 / 13
totals
10 / 246 / 134
averages
n/a / 24.6 / 13.4

Holy crap - the math is still ok and I was right ! I'm so relieved.
There IS a expected number of repeats and no-show numbers !
Numbers DO repeat !!! Whew, I was really worried.

This is a classic example of someone (above poster) who can't see past a single spin - doesn't understand that a session of spins gives predictable results (despite past spins) and doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

Hello from Montreal, Canada.

I have done much research and study on the subject of repeaters. Although I still believe a repeaters system has the greatest potential for long term profit at roulette, I have yet to come up with a profitable one. So although what you are presenting here, TG, makes much sense to me, I still fail to see how that information can be implemented into a workable system. Perhaps I'm just not seeing something that I should? If I sit down at a B&M table, what do I do exactly with repeaters? Start betting after 2-repeaters? 3-repeaters? What is the length of a cycle? Is there a progression involved? Should there be a stop loss?

For me, identifying the concept of repeaters is step 1. Step 2 is the fine tuning, which really is where the profits lie, if any.

So for those interested, can there be a discussion on what to do next?

Thanks very much,

Marty

 

Step 2 totally agree! Now ive been trying to develope my interpretation of the turbo method for a long time but i maybe way off ?
but im an impulsive gambler and struggle to stay disciplined One of many other methods ive been working on is a two number bet. Basically you look for two to become three or three to become four etc and bet on the latest two numbers to do that with a progression it really is going well because eventaully you do get that number that quickly goes from 2-3 3-4 or 4-5.

 

Interesting approach, Armitage. Would you care to elaborate on the progression you use?

Thanks!

 

What i have got is not the last 2 number but the first two number hits first. Everyone get different. If 6 to 7 number runs simultaneously from 3-4 4-5 5-6. There is where the problem is. Even very agressive progression doesnt cover. May be he has some different techniques. And even if some numbers show up3-4 time then off. Again another one then off and so on. Big issue to control these.

 

And again when he left those 4 hot number going to holiday. After coming back he is not going bet those 15 only that 4 what he left. And this time he got completely different and will lose a lot.if 6-7 number runs simultaneously will be a complete disaster. The ans u given is not the ans of his question.

 

You can't really believe this, can you?

OK, let's just break it down. We can all agree that every spin is an independent event. And every event is random. That means your "system" only works in 3 cases

1: The wheel is not random. This is possible, biased wheels exist, and if you feel your system works because it can identify biased wheels, it may work theoretically, but every roulette table out there has a table mounted camera recording every single spin and feeding that result to a computer which constantly looks for wheel bias. If found, they will close the table until the vendor replaces the table. So while your system may be valid in this case, it's not profitable since the table will just be closed

2: You believe that future events can be determined by past results. This is 100% absolutely false. If a number repeats, it did not repeat because the number was spun earlier. It is a random event every time.

3: You believe in magic powers/the ability to tell the future.

As you can see, all 3 of those cases result in you not winning. 1 of them will be caught prior to profit, another is objectively false, and the last is make believe.

 

It does not. There is no such thing as a profitable system. There is no way to make a -EV game a +EV game without cheating.

There is no concept of repeaters. the odds of the ball landing on a number are the exact same regardless of whtehr or not that number was rolled 100 times n a row or not in the last million spins.

 

Out of that nonsense, I'll reply to this point.
No one is saying that past events control future events. I don't look at "past numbers" to decide where to bet.
I only bet on future numbers - and can I tell which those are better than the math expected ? Yes. Because it's random.
You are simply not getting the big picture and stuck in a single spin or the belief that thiss is some fallacy based idea when it clearly isn't.
You'll agree that numbers will repeat ? Yes ? There - we both agree and if you think about it and read what's been written - you'll magically "know" what numbers to play and with the proper aggressive progression you'll never lose.
(or you can continue to claim it's nonsense and post "facts" that everyone already agrees with and has nothing to do with what's happening here).

 

So lets break that sentence down:

You acknowledge each upcoming spin is random.
You claim to be able to know which numbers are more likely to hit than others.

You literally just claimed to have magic powers.

Can numbers repeat? Sure. Do you have any way of knowing what a future spin will be based on past results, repeating or not? No. Period. That's all there is to it

 

Each new spin is independent and absolutely random - correct.

Absolutely !! Thanks to math and random. Am I always 100% accurate ? Hell no. Do I need to be ? No.

Sadly no, it requires no magic to understand what random is, how it works - and what math is. That might seem magical to someone who doesn't understand these things, but that's not my problem.

For you, yes. I wouldn't waste any more time on it if I were you.

 

TG,

Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. You can't not look at past numbers and at the same time tell which are hitting better than expectation. You can say that's the way that "random" behaves, but in order to pick the "correct" numbers you have to look at past spins, which you admit are independent from future spins. In other words, a contradiction.

You've already admitted you can't tell the difference between physical impossibility and logical impossibility, and you reconfirm it every time you post.

This forum boasts the "best minds" in the gambling industry... where are they? lol.

 

Look in the mirror!

 

Ugh, it gets so old repeating the same things to you.
I sit down - I don't look at past spins. I play.
The spins that happen make up the session that I played.
They aren't "past" spins that I use to pick my selections, they are part of a whole -
the session that I'm playing. To someone who just sits down as I'm leaving - they are useless "past spins"
to that person. That's NOT what we're talking about.
I was going to use some analogy to try to explain it yet again but it's a waste of time.